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I'm a beginner to lojban but the way I would explain some of these 
sentences like this:

(1) I respect you as a friend.

It does not seem to me that you are directly qualifying "you" as a friend. 
It is "respect" that is being qualified. It could be: "I have a  friend's 
respect for you."
It is only by implication that we take the person being spoken to to be a 
friend.
Imagen the phrase, "I respect you as a friend, even though you are not my 
friend."


(2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery.

I think this is the same. You are studying your dreams in a way suitable 
for symbolic imagery, whether or not they are symbolic imagery.


(3) We kept this day as a holiday.

This is different, holiday qualifies day. It looks like it's only 
complicated at all because "kept" is being used strangely.
"We reserved this day as a holiday."
"In the past we defined this day as a holiday and we continued to do so."


(4) She appeared to them as a fairy this time.

I'm not sure about this one, I think it could be interpreted in different 
ways. 


 
 I'm sorry if this overlapped with what you were saying, klaku; I didn't 
entirely understand.


On Monday, November 5, 2012 7:05:53 PM UTC, selpa'i wrote:
>
> This construction has come up a lot more recently, and I am drawing a 
> blank how to translate it. It might not be translatable at all, but maybe 
> someone has a good solution. Here are some examples using this particular 
> usage of "as":
>
> (1) I respect you as a friend.
>
> (2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery.
>
> (3) We kept this day as a holiday.
>
> (4) She appeared to them as a fairy this time.
>
> I've tried a few things, among other things {kai} and {fi'o tarmi}, but 
> I'm not content. Suggestions and ideas are welcome.
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>

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<p class=3D"western" style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm"><br>I'm a beginner to
lojban but the way I would explain some of these sentences like
this:<br><br>(1) I respect you as a friend.<br><br>It does not seem
to me that you are directly qualifying "you" as a friend.
It is "respect" that is being qualified. It could be: "I
have a&nbsp; friend's respect for you."<br>It is only by
implication that we take the person being spoken to to be a
friend.<br>Imagen the phrase, "I respect you as a friend, even
though you are not my friend."<br><br><br>(2) I study my dreams
as symbolic imagery.<br><br>I think this is the same. You are
studying your dreams in a way suitable for symbolic imagery, whether
or not they are symbolic imagery.<br><br><br>(3) We kept this day as
a holiday.<br><br>This is different, holiday qualifies day. It looks
like it's only complicated at all because "kept" is being
used strangely.<br>"We reserved this day as a holiday."<br>"In
the past we defined this day as a holiday and we continued to do
so."<br><br><br>(4) She appeared to them as a fairy this
time.<br><br>I'm not sure about this one, I think it could be
interpreted in different ways.=20
</p>
<p class=3D"western" style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm"><br>
</p>
<p class=3D"western" style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm"><br>
</p>
<p class=3D"western" style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm">I'm sorry if this
overlapped with what you were saying, klaku; I didn't entirely
understand.</p>
<br><br>On Monday, November 5, 2012 7:05:53 PM UTC, selpa'i wrote:<blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left:=
 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">This construction has come up a lot mor=
e recently, and I am drawing a blank how to translate it. It might not be t=
ranslatable at all, but maybe someone has a good solution. Here are some ex=
amples using this particular usage of "as":<br><br>(1) I respect you as a f=
riend.<br><br>(2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery.<br><br>(3) We kept=
 this day as a holiday.<br><br>(4) She appeared to them as a fairy this tim=
e.<br><br>I've tried a few things, among other things {kai} and {fi'o tarmi=
}, but I'm not content. Suggestions and ideas are welcome.<br><br>mu'o mi'e=
 la selpa'i<br></blockquote>

<p></p>

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