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=A0=A0=A0 Well, it affects the claim that Lojban keeps its logical structur=
e "on its face" since jiggery-pokery of this sort goes against the logical =
structure, which puts unicorns somewhere else (strictly, what goes on in a =
{du'u} clause is a sense, not a reference, but that just makes matters even=
 more complex here).=A0=20
I do agree, however, that {lo pavyseljirna} is odd in this context, being a=
t least a context off from the present one.=A0=20




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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Place structure "types"
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I don't think a discussion on the intricacies of the universe of discourse =
is really appropriate in the Beginner's group, especially since we haven't =
yet come to an agreement on it in things like default scope.

It's also a rather technical problem that doesn't majorly affect conversati=
onal Lojban.

Please move any further discussion of this to the main list.

--=20
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><span class=3D"tab">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Well, it affects the claim that Lojban keeps its logical =
structure "on its face" since jiggery-pokery of this sort goes against the =
logical structure, which puts unicorns somewhere else (strictly, what goes =
on in a {du'u} clause is a sense, not a reference, but that just makes matt=
ers even more complex here).&nbsp; <br>I do agree, however, that {lo pavyse=
ljirna} is odd in this context, being at least a context off from the prese=
nt one.&nbsp; <br></span><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div =
style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 1=
2pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; =
font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr s=
ize=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jonathan =
Jones
 &lt;eyeonus@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</s=
pan></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;"=
>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:09 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] =
Place structure "types"<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id=3D"yiv1833985010">I don't think a discussion on the intricacies of =
the universe of discourse is really appropriate in the Beginner's group, es=
pecially since we haven't yet come to an agreement on it in things like def=
ault scope.<br>
<br>It's also a rather technical problem that doesn't majorly affect conver=
sational Lojban.<br><br>Please move any further discussion of this to the m=
ain list.<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu'o mi'e .aionys.<br>
<br>.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o<br=
>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>



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