Received: from mail-ea0-f190.google.com ([209.85.215.190]:38126) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U2tR1-0006Ef-My; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:04:35 -0800 Received: by mail-ea0-f190.google.com with SMTP id j12sf183907eaa.27 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:04:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=158XawKC5P9U+AOWWPvNvRccz7hFYGaGRxDlCQ1woLI=; b=jFcdXnUKQbMwTFGSr9WxH8vkNY7EQSv6Ly5qC7q4b17q7BZtHmpgVBkTqvj74ze81H jD/xreYf31D5rx3r74ehW1sk8P0bOYI/eIIE7JcHgOfSq7qXY4t/U36j3DurCQWlMwEX xVTS196Onh3/y4DrG+YrQ0ZaGOruXkuN3ljeEsFI5KUcL1gryc4XTbREp08dRVaVDoIM xP5PO/9C1ZCvGU7jPFQKan9QV9RKpZOXCC4ygUC71KM0V/FMt/JREZCVSuw5F1Dk9Fos 3WKLE95VhMqc5+eKKp/2d3MaYa3N0GpjjN1JWebTBtGIfo3J43LVeoSXk7rGLM8CpIIi bCLg== X-Received: by 10.180.74.204 with SMTP id w12mr114519wiv.7.1360112655428; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:04:15 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.74.115 with SMTP id s19ls147946wiv.28.gmail; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:04:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.220.131 with SMTP id o3mr27992154eep.3.1360112654284; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:04:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.220.131 with SMTP id o3mr27992153eep.3.1360112654273; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m6si5378744een.1.2013.02.05.17.04.14 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbc22e3.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.34.227]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 98DA48650D8 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 02:04:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 02:04:13 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Place structure "types" Message-ID: <20130206010413.GV10399@samsa.fritz.box> References: <88ff2b8e-3289-4df0-a88c-01ad3d71998f@googlegroups.com> <20130205231758.GU10399@samsa.fritz.box> <1360110130.57305.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1360110387.95780.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ck3np9Ek/EMsFxRu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1360110387.95780.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --ck3np9Ek/EMsFxRu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 04:26:27PM -0800, John E Clifford wrote: > By the way, there are several papers in the collected works of Richard Montague > ("Formal Philosophy"?) that deal at least in passing with questions bout what > happens in propositions and other opaque contexts (beyond the basic no-nos of > quantifying in and interchange of identicals) "various" is not really the answer I was hoping for. I'm partly familiar with Montague's work. "in passing" is not really good enough here. I was more looking for something which explicitly deals with UDs (maybe in the field of Discourse Representation Theory?) > and also various follow-ups (carefully avoiding the misguided) the Frege's original papers. With this description you've either included about the whole of formal semantics or restricted it to "none" with the parenthesis. At least some might say the latter {.u'i} mi'e la .van. mu'o --ck3np9Ek/EMsFxRu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlERrA0ACgkQMBKLZs4+wjyFRwCggOWqVqrqIe3Dz5X49OAGEuUV v48AoIA2WppRrdLJVSoy9JP0qbKBrOfC =iYeU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ck3np9Ek/EMsFxRu--