Received: from mail-ve0-f192.google.com ([209.85.128.192]:54536) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U3Cwz-0003wn-IG; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:54:53 -0800 Received: by mail-ve0-f192.google.com with SMTP id d10sf685018vea.9 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:54:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OPD9ydBXKYYPrrQH2k1XSSegc4Gd1L0QUaE4hVnXxdQ=; b=dAtUaSSS5UDI22+Q49R3Jt3TFpFqa+9vYnUiQHtgtLg0CLS7Odqwg47+VkEv00aCtq nP+iaTlwjcrOiZF3icHfIDGjBRzqheVz1zjWncowoqk7HegpIEwNEbaJJZhenWnpePFH pKfzOz10rHgVpg+OptvyJjTDZ63PB3F3UiEoWbzBfR5WCCMeWBAaN+4GCLaWG6IkzRdU PUYuXwKaTfkYB+6j6pfvNodfZkCEbPot6ArnZP6nJbGzivE+O5n7OWIEt6vRw0bC8dKz 63WMHqse1ss7GV4uRoaCS9sC1t97R4YebfvFjLiqqpAAUDNIyYVV1JxrlZSolxpNNPXv /9Vg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OPD9ydBXKYYPrrQH2k1XSSegc4Gd1L0QUaE4hVnXxdQ=; b=GQnlkmvFLPWjIUmnPNXVIlkLma9Z+7V388aDtJZXqcSOkp/mLAvF5iyKrThoFXiPis TIvBRe9re4AVTYTXmHGUPu80g02WBej+uvAogCmaExaS1wKbZVSnHbQBwTI1rQr4XGhw 0DABoYxRxxwaCI4cBkcEboVmXbZxmT7RRZ+8bqmiKJnBvvOQzZ9zP95wU12/Ss/alLOJ Ri07ndRIH4REKbUmrqsI55O25mva7QZGxv9DZoX9sRKVjkveTckqKBb4VCI+6WYR0c5T XZ7XGLmca5f23z78DKsWf8KlOofY1V1+Ci06UE0ahHXTSN8SFYCYzroQyTNhGsz5RXss 0p5w== X-Received: by 10.50.191.131 with SMTP id gy3mr594814igc.1.1360187674616; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:54:34 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.155.165 with SMTP id vx5ls2882548igb.10.canary; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.189.169 with SMTP id gj9mr3798240igc.2.1360187673779; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.189.169 with SMTP id gj9mr3798239igc.2.1360187673767; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j19si305092iga.2.2013.02.06.13.54.33 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.174; Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 16so1999015obc.19 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.151.9 with SMTP id um9mr22437256obb.89.1360187673625; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:54:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.78.35 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:54:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jacob Errington Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:54:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {makau} {mokau} To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444e9251d428404d5155f9f X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0444e9251d428404d5155f9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 6 February 2013 13:46, Ian Johnson wrote: > {mi djuno lo ka ce'u tavla mi kei do} == {mi djuno lo du'u do tavla mi} in > the ka sense. > {mi djuno lo du'u li vo sumji li re li re kei lo cmaci} ~= {mi djuno lo > du'u li vo sumji li re li re kei noi srana lo cmaci} > > I dealt with this duality in my abstractions paper by saying that it moves into a topic prenex: {.i mi djuno lo du'u li vo sumji li re li re kei lo cmaci} =={.i mi djuno lo du'u lo cmaci zo'u li re li vo se sumji li re} .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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{mi djuno lo ka ce'u tavla mi kei do} =3D=3D {mi djuno lo du'u do t= avla mi} in the ka sense.
{mi djuno lo du'u li vo sumji li re li re = kei lo cmaci} ~=3D {mi djuno lo du'u li vo sumji li re li re kei noi sr= ana lo cmaci}


I dealt with this duality in my = abstractions paper by saying that it moves into a topic prenex:
{= .i mi djuno lo du'u li vo sumji li re li re kei lo cmaci} =3D=3D{.i mi = djuno lo du'u lo cmaci zo'u li re li vo se sumji li re}

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o=A0

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