Received: from mail-qa0-f57.google.com ([209.85.216.57]:55893) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U3hlL-0005kH-Rx; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:49:06 -0800 Received: by mail-qa0-f57.google.com with SMTP id hg5sf150339qab.2 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:48:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:from:to :subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=khr/tmaYZO9e2af7abyTTP6nwhz5E4/gCq8LB2C9tP8=; b=xswZhjQNxI0CNDwN6cu7bZjhAgt6tBAmexb4lJs/zRP6wZ5w7oHsJ0FIgj0eQQxIjG CnRANBj3NUtGLUFbmSbvmVR40LQjvZMF6g4OTIZYAKM25sf6VzNWUQQ5tgSDpp/YYGBG ybr1ZcvsAkn7hhi2k+UNKllM9kUUPE+MrJwddCiVcsKLNA4huXOk/3BvNHaPDrFwL8+s 2ckzzo7FRAYOQOeoKCttbA/CMktXpsnGXn0gbB+oz4KzngDVNCW0yG3Es35lZ2Zca8Z7 B++F+H2cz5hVTRKFPBlNrDbHQJkMUR0Sw7ug8inEgpJxZE5jHqZvwVI7X8Ep/OzVqexs 2NYQ== X-Received: by 10.49.58.167 with SMTP id s7mr369896qeq.5.1360306116929; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:48:36 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.12.36 with SMTP id v4ls1000717qeb.71.gmail; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:48:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.112.84 with SMTP id x60mr1841064yhg.9.1360306115711; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:48:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.112.84 with SMTP id x60mr1841063yhg.9.1360306115695; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from leopard.ixazon.lan (cpe-069-132-098-107.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.98.107]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e7si1319305yhk.3.2013.02.07.22.48.35; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.98.107 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.132.98.107; Received: from caracal.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:8:42:407b:e3f9:397d:7b8]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BA04E43 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 01:48:29 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] strange behaviour of {cortu} Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 01:48:26 -0500 Message-ID: <2625542.LcrIRrlWQu@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-36-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <84d88820-8c7d-436b-a0cc-222666747afd@googlegroups.com> References: <84d88820-8c7d-436b-a0cc-222666747afd@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.98.107 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Thursday, February 07, 2013 21:18:13 la gleki wrote: > Many are speaking these days about internal place structure of brivla > (relations between djuno2 and djuno3 is one example) which has been > probably inspired by gua\spi. > > I just found another example, a little more interesting. > > {cortu} x1 hurts/feels pain/hurt at locus x2. > > What this brivla should really look like is > {ko'a cortu lo broda be vo'a} > e.g. > {mi cortu lo stedu be mi} > {mi cortu lo tuple be mi} > > But if we remove one of {mi} in any example this won't lead to any > ambiguity. Indeed, where can i feel pain if not in some part of me? > Of course such technologies as described in Avatar film might raise this > question again but even then the avatar controlled by you would be a part > of your double body. This is called a twiddler, as "mi cortu lo birka be do" is nonsensical in the same way that "I twiddle your thumbs" is. Similarly: .i mi darxi do lo birka be fo'a lo trixe be ko'a .i mi sanli lo loldi lo jamfu be do See http://kith.org/logos/words/lower/t.html . Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.