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On Friday, February 8, 2013 5:26:19 PM UTC+3, .asiz. wrote:
>
> What is exactly the problem with {mi cortu lo bekpi}? 
>

that bekpi2 is not filled.
 

>
> On 8 February 2013 04:21, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday, February 8, 2013 10:48:26 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On Thursday, February 07, 2013 21:18:13 la gleki wrote: 
> >> > Many are speaking these days about internal place structure of brivla 
> >> > (relations between djuno2 and djuno3 is one example) which has been 
> >> > probably inspired by gua\spi. 
> >> > 
> >> > I just found another example, a little more interesting. 
> >> > 
> >> > {cortu} x1 hurts/feels pain/hurt at locus x2. 
> >> > 
> >> > What this brivla should really look like is 
> >> > {ko'a cortu lo broda be vo'a} 
> >> > e.g. 
> >> > {mi cortu lo stedu be mi} 
> >> > {mi cortu lo tuple be mi} 
> >> > 
> >> > But if we remove one of {mi} in any example this won't lead to any 
> >> > ambiguity. Indeed, where can i feel pain if not in some part of me? 
> >> > Of course such technologies as described in Avatar film might raise 
> this 
> >> > question again but even then the avatar controlled by you would be a 
> >> > part 
> >> > of your double body. 
> >> 
> >> This is called a twiddler, as "mi cortu lo birka be do" is nonsensical 
> in 
> >> the 
> >> same way that "I twiddle your thumbs" is. Similarly: 
> >> .i mi darxi do lo birka be fo'a lo trixe be ko'a 
> >> .i mi sanli lo loldi lo jamfu be do 
> >> See http://kith.org/logos/words/lower/t.html . 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks for the link. The "problem" appeared when i tried to translate 
> the 
> > following sentence from Tatoeba. 
> > 
> > "My back hurts." 
> > 
> > If we assume that back is {bekpi} (cuz Robin needed a gismu for it) 
> > then we have three options. 
> > 
> > 1. mi cortu lo bekpi 
> > 2. cortu lo bekpi be mi 
> > 3. mi cortu lo bekpi be mi 
> > 
> > The third solution is verbose and therefore doesn't reflect relations 
> > between sumti in a nice way. 
> > I guess Lojban is just unable to express this in a more concise way. 
> > May be 
> > 4. bekpi je selcortu mi ? 
> > 
> > I wish I could bind {bekpi} and {selcortu} with {du} but I can't. 
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> Pierre 
> >> -- 
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> On 8 February 2013 04:21, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday, February 8, 2013 10:48:26 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On Thursday, February 07, 2013 21:18:13 la gleki wrote: 
> >> > Many are speaking these days about internal place structure of brivla 
> >> > (relations between djuno2 and djuno3 is one example) which has been 
> >> > probably inspired by gua\spi. 
> >> > 
> >> > I just found another example, a little more interesting. 
> >> > 
> >> > {cortu} x1 hurts/feels pain/hurt at locus x2. 
> >> > 
> >> > What this brivla should really look like is 
> >> > {ko'a cortu lo broda be vo'a} 
> >> > e.g. 
> >> > {mi cortu lo stedu be mi} 
> >> > {mi cortu lo tuple be mi} 
> >> > 
> >> > But if we remove one of {mi} in any example this won't lead to any 
> >> > ambiguity. Indeed, where can i feel pain if not in some part of me? 
> >> > Of course such technologies as described in Avatar film might raise 
> this 
> >> > question again but even then the avatar controlled by you would be a 
> >> > part 
> >> > of your double body. 
> >> 
> >> This is called a twiddler, as "mi cortu lo birka be do" is nonsensical 
> in 
> >> the 
> >> same way that "I twiddle your thumbs" is. Similarly: 
> >> .i mi darxi do lo birka be fo'a lo trixe be ko'a 
> >> .i mi sanli lo loldi lo jamfu be do 
> >> See http://kith.org/logos/words/lower/t.html . 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks for the link. The "problem" appeared when i tried to translate 
> the 
> > following sentence from Tatoeba. 
> > 
> > "My back hurts." 
> > 
> > If we assume that back is {bekpi} (cuz Robin needed a gismu for it) 
> > then we have three options. 
> > 
> > 1. mi cortu lo bekpi 
> > 2. cortu lo bekpi be mi 
> > 3. mi cortu lo bekpi be mi 
> > 
> > The third solution is verbose and therefore doesn't reflect relations 
> > between sumti in a nice way. 
> > I guess Lojban is just unable to express this in a more concise way. 
> > May be 
> > 4. bekpi je selcortu mi ? 
> > 
> > I wish I could bind {bekpi} and {selcortu} with {du} but I can't. 
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> Pierre 
> >> -- 
> >> I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. 
> >> 
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<br><br>On Friday, February 8, 2013 5:26:19 PM UTC+3, .asiz. wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">What is exactly the problem with {mi cortu lo bekpi}?
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>that bekpi2 is not filled.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>On 8 February 2013 04:21, la gleki &lt;<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="G1eclA3wzscJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; On Friday, February 8, 2013 10:48:26 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
<br>&gt;&gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; On Thursday, February 07, 2013 21:18:13 la gleki wrote:
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Many are speaking these days about internal place structure of brivla
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; (relations between djuno2 and djuno3 is one example) which has been
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; probably inspired by gua\spi.
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I just found another example, a little more interesting.
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; {cortu} x1 hurts/feels pain/hurt at locus x2.
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; What this brivla should really look like is
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; {ko'a cortu lo broda be vo'a}
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; e.g.
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; {mi cortu lo stedu be mi}
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; {mi cortu lo tuple be mi}
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; But if we remove one of {mi} in any example this won't lead to any
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; ambiguity. Indeed, where can i feel pain if not in some part of me?
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Of course such technologies as described in Avatar film might raise this
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; question again but even then the avatar controlled by you would be a
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; part
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; of your double body.
<br>&gt;&gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; This is called a twiddler, as "mi cortu lo birka be do" is nonsensical in
<br>&gt;&gt; the
<br>&gt;&gt; same way that "I twiddle your thumbs" is. Similarly:
<br>&gt;&gt; .i mi darxi do lo birka be fo'a lo trixe be ko'a
<br>&gt;&gt; .i mi sanli lo loldi lo jamfu be do
<br>&gt;&gt; See <a href="http://kith.org/logos/words/lower/t.html" target="_blank">http://kith.org/logos/words/<wbr>lower/t.html</a> .
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Thanks for the link. The "problem" appeared when i tried to translate the
<br>&gt; following sentence from Tatoeba.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; "My back hurts."
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; If we assume that back is {bekpi} (cuz Robin needed a gismu for it)
<br>&gt; then we have three options.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; 1. mi cortu lo bekpi
<br>&gt; 2. cortu lo bekpi be mi
<br>&gt; 3. mi cortu lo bekpi be mi
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; The third solution is verbose and therefore doesn't reflect relations
<br>&gt; between sumti in a nice way.
<br>&gt; I guess Lojban is just unable to express this in a more concise way.
<br>&gt; May be
<br>&gt; 4. bekpi je selcortu mi ?
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; I wish I could bind {bekpi} and {selcortu} with {du} but I can't.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;&gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; Pierre
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<br>&gt;&gt;
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<br>On 8 February 2013 04:21, la gleki &lt;<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="G1eclA3wzscJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; On Friday, February 8, 2013 10:48:26 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
<br>&gt;&gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; On Thursday, February 07, 2013 21:18:13 la gleki wrote:
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Many are speaking these days about internal place structure of brivla
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; (relations between djuno2 and djuno3 is one example) which has been
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; probably inspired by gua\spi.
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I just found another example, a little more interesting.
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; {cortu} x1 hurts/feels pain/hurt at locus x2.
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; What this brivla should really look like is
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; {ko'a cortu lo broda be vo'a}
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; e.g.
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; {mi cortu lo stedu be mi}
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; {mi cortu lo tuple be mi}
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; But if we remove one of {mi} in any example this won't lead to any
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; ambiguity. Indeed, where can i feel pain if not in some part of me?
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Of course such technologies as described in Avatar film might raise this
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; question again but even then the avatar controlled by you would be a
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; part
<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; of your double body.
<br>&gt;&gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; This is called a twiddler, as "mi cortu lo birka be do" is nonsensical in
<br>&gt;&gt; the
<br>&gt;&gt; same way that "I twiddle your thumbs" is. Similarly:
<br>&gt;&gt; .i mi darxi do lo birka be fo'a lo trixe be ko'a
<br>&gt;&gt; .i mi sanli lo loldi lo jamfu be do
<br>&gt;&gt; See <a href="http://kith.org/logos/words/lower/t.html" target="_blank">http://kith.org/logos/words/<wbr>lower/t.html</a> .
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Thanks for the link. The "problem" appeared when i tried to translate the
<br>&gt; following sentence from Tatoeba.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; "My back hurts."
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; If we assume that back is {bekpi} (cuz Robin needed a gismu for it)
<br>&gt; then we have three options.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; 1. mi cortu lo bekpi
<br>&gt; 2. cortu lo bekpi be mi
<br>&gt; 3. mi cortu lo bekpi be mi
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; The third solution is verbose and therefore doesn't reflect relations
<br>&gt; between sumti in a nice way.
<br>&gt; I guess Lojban is just unable to express this in a more concise way.
<br>&gt; May be
<br>&gt; 4. bekpi je selcortu mi ?
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; I wish I could bind {bekpi} and {selcortu} with {du} but I can't.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;&gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; Pierre
<br>&gt;&gt; --
<br>&gt;&gt; I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.
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