Received: from mail-ve0-f191.google.com ([209.85.128.191]:55381) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U3tDr-0001ed-Lu; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:03:05 -0800 Received: by mail-ve0-f191.google.com with SMTP id m1sf1330152ves.18 for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:02:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qnKtZ49+43CMlLrvoH+fyBo4baQFb5A1PWuf64lfim8=; b=ngjRDgDKnd14CPKn5TPa1scp1MJoYeS8FIhj77NQ6HfH98q1wmOZJteoTvXAh1aR3K tXKKdgftN/AArUf7onHY6ZLqF93W6293rm6YteZ1L9I5vjOizNdwFGKtLbN2rHfqlzns rqFrq337L5b0IEHcRyz1tqNCFp3hd0nBlDshj/+ayS4alehPfZjojBYIx0peqdDE+oRK BEAPH+1ve3qaHliX0O42+34yMzgqDJkLMb+B2fGnV/SrRjpBiRkgZljZXxJGeOQRAX5M mkTxNzQcJXlWBsIpptVjkAzVDgHtXqVrMRLwL5Sl9KrLusjtbFjg8LOGvcJ6CdzWQTRg /Bug== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qnKtZ49+43CMlLrvoH+fyBo4baQFb5A1PWuf64lfim8=; b=zqmQwyTtqmQPtMwoiCUNTgPKdEBsicr86fiR+LSwz/SjytCuyqKi0CBDnQhdmizGNN RuehwIClUKpKhxuM/wQFtNXdVVd/VMlUH4mpUh57YfaaqeFsfE2jeX7qjxyv9NO2lNhe OV0gyEFnKqBIbdh6sDLA40mLfdn/NsVpsjrXrjKrT8ZusrnM/HiPcNWMH94BZtYQoRc4 VZz+BIMQEnnIwKMAWgpepDBoGj8dSiGlSYkeup++0536azE73kJjvi/9EropyVuyRfP5 Fbe7IWzey6P7ldTIqrDN+hJkKq8O7HttiapH/37v0frKjGtXW1U1giZogZ2gVJPFcuXu GcJQ== X-Received: by 10.49.87.9 with SMTP id t9mr558892qez.16.1360350165895; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:02:45 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.82.112 with SMTP id h16ls1231106qey.0.gmail; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:02:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.58.238 with SMTP id u14mr551836qeq.13.1360350164314; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:02:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:02:43 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <4c300622-b1a8-436c-8470-62b043e8801f@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <498c5ef6-291c-4aea-ac8d-8fae281ee65b@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] .i ko fanva MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_414_17917518.1360350163989" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_414_17917518.1360350163989 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Friday, February 8, 2013 10:49:56 PM UTC+4, stevo wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Sebastian > > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> 17 jan 2013 kl. 06:04 skrev "la .lindar." >> >: >> >> BUTTON >> (Noun) >> Like on a shirt or jacket. >> >> pe'i {batke} ranges over both button on shirts and keyboards, just like >> it's English counterpart. >> >> I think this is a mistake. Shirt buttons fasten, keyboard and screen > buttons don't. > batke x1 is a button/knob/[handle] on/for item x2, with purpose x3, made of material x4. So {batke} cab also be a knob which is a very vague word. > stevo > >> >> BUTTON >> (Verb) >> Like what you do with a button. >> >> >> Something like {batke}+{catke}/{lasna}? >> >> >> It seems like this *really* should have been base-game content. >> What were the developers thinking? Seriously... >> (Also, food for thought, why does something begin passively and end >> agentively? cfari / sisti) >> >> But then you might be able to easily construct lujvos to get this >> distinction: >> Passively: {cfari} {tolcfa} >> Agentively: {sisti} {tolsti} >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/04B9kawMyXUJ. >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Friday, February 8, 2013 10:49:56 PM UTC+4, stevo wrote:

On = Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Sebastian <so.co..= .@gmail.com> wrote:




17 jan 2013 kl. 06:04 skr= ev "la .lindar." <lindar...@gmail.com>:

BUTTON
(Noun)
Like on a shirt = or jacket.
pe'i {batke} ranges over both butt= on on shirts and keyboards, just like it's English counterpart.

I think this is a mistake. Shirt buttons = fasten, keyboard and screen buttons don't. 

batke x1 is a button/knob/[handle] on/for item x2, with p= urpose x3, made of material x4.


So = {batke} cab also be a knob which is a very vague word.

=

stevo

B= UTTON
(Verb)
Like what you do with a button.

Something like {batke}+{catke}/{lasna}?<= div>

It seems like this *= really* should have been base-game content.
What were the develop= ers thinking? Seriously...
(Also, food for thought, why does some= thing begin passively and end agentively? cfari / sisti)
But then you might be able to easily construct luj= vos to get this distinction:
Passively: {cfari} {tolcfa} 
Agentively: {sisti} {tolsti}

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