Received: from mail-gh0-f190.google.com ([209.85.160.190]:39540) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U4416-0005Ph-3s; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:34:37 -0800 Received: by mail-gh0-f190.google.com with SMTP id 3sf1509032ghz.17 for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:34:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1IUw734thzg+7RMo5tfObm2im09+Ad3MlZMxPqkHT7k=; b=KwOq15+5OsvKU/JKFqcsCSbTh718yFLM0e1YXuKLyErXoKkMNCWhqFfZMlGF7TSMAj nstZbLP4zsH8HwL2cjMQZ8CPnugwHoLvfcsgmPbe8AnHX2TBxmJTTScpbVdt9RSARc7R i4cwS3cNcK9aILq7R5/4Q/j8Wr4ipwEvtLq7ZSs7ybLhD/HuRNR8uHj8hXpiFOF7xnTO MjTSDGbPVNWXrUSlv1Jf7n1/85rv/8fz2P4q8o0xw7GQ2hO4vAJa6lRD+tl5RuP6nimL wcHP+aWFzu2MuEmfcOGAJxMmVsBrnoXtQsMlR779gYMeL3rCk3qE0x0MqaylKY9h2Mi9 yoAA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1IUw734thzg+7RMo5tfObm2im09+Ad3MlZMxPqkHT7k=; b=a7YgwtBGQBpygaVcIbSVBTiNZKLdx2msuqM+Ak/cxyNtSvQ4+nqaR/fk5nWnQjcn93 XZ+/VYi1+jkYNaQWDnoaNBj3fTPdyirHLrYZBIooKP62GQiiUcPmLf2sHCUF76IuVVPr LvI45SuZJAKssyapAyJBbXi39S1aqBCekUrWPJcO3HjZm0ugNCZYs93B7kW4NCT2zVhh QYz7Ng2hR/pn7+at+0TQKgXzhXC5UZm9ahRjOqNJBOWTZfWsL2xFWcN/RIdExSnRj9tV XMZiZJryzQBSgiWMwFbS0vJifY5hkrTQ6sfZLIDWYhiuVwCmeBHeAjVABag3LYyUI0v7 IikQ== X-Received: by 10.50.47.134 with SMTP id d6mr249754ign.0.1360391660998; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:34:20 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.140.37 with SMTP id rd5ls994537igb.2.gmail; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:34:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.110.15 with SMTP id n15mr5978827icp.11.1360391659387; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:34:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.110.15 with SMTP id n15mr5978826icp.11.1360391659361; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ge7si992921igb.0.2013.02.08.22.34.19 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.48; Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id j1so4775611oag.35 for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:34:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.39.69 with SMTP id n5mr6205360obk.72.1360391659069; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:34:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.78.35 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:33:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jacob Errington Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 01:33:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] lujvo using {bu} To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447975598220c04d544dd9d X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0447975598220c04d544dd9d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The ideas suggested in this thread are pretty good, but it seems like {lerfu}'s rafsi could do the same. However, {bu}, not having a formal place structure lets us cheat the jvojva a bit. If we want to adhere to the rules *and* use {lerfu}'s rafsi, then we wind up with irritating lerfu2 and lerfu3 places. A real-life example of a bu rafsi is {depybu'i} to refer to the glottal stop character. This word has been used several times on IRC. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 8 February 2013 14:22, Remo Dentato wrote: > Answering another of my questions, tsani mentioned {mobu}, {dubu}, etc. > > By the power of {bu} they are "letterals" like any other BY, and is all > fine to me. > > I was really surprised when I noticed that {bu} has two rafsi: {-bus-} > and {-bu'i-}. I wonder what a lujvo made with {bu} may mean. > > Of course {broda bu} must be different from {rodbu'i}: the first one is a > BY, the latter is a brivla. > > Has anyone put a thought on this? > > > mu'o mi'e la .remod. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --f46d0447975598220c04d544dd9d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The ideas suggested in this thread are pretty good, but it seems like {lerf= u}'s rafsi could do the same. However, {bu}, not having a formal place = structure lets us cheat the jvojva a bit. If we want to adhere to the rules= *and* use {lerfu}'s rafsi, then we wind up with irritating lerfu2 and = lerfu3 places.

A real-life example of a bu rafsi is {depybu'i} to refer= to the glottal stop character. This word has been used several times on IR= C.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 8 February 2013 14:22, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>= wrote:
Answering another of my questions, tsa= ni mentioned {mobu}, {dubu}, etc.

By the power of {bu} they ar= e "letterals" like any other BY, and is all fine to me.

I was really surprised when I noticed that {bu} has two rafsi: {-bus-} and = {-bu'i-}. I wonder what a lujvo made with {bu} may mean.

O= f course=A0 {broda bu} must be different from {rodbu'i}: the first one = is a BY, the latter is a brivla.

Has anyone put a thought on this?


mu'o mi'= ;e la .remod.

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