On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:55 AM, la gleki= <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, January 6, 2012 3:03:14 PM UTC+4, la g= leki wrote:

I'm glad to inform t= hat a very small group of enthusiasts has started translating The Lojban Re= ference Grammar into Russian.

If anybody is able to help with translation they can do that= by signing up on htt= p://lingvoforum.net/
and then signing in with that login and = password and then editing wiki-pages of Russian translation project here.

Inform what pages you are gonna translate so that we th= ere would be no intersections.

The current situation.

All the Wave lessons (a pop= ular textbook on Lojban) have been translated to Russian.

http://wiki= .lingvoforum.net/w/=F7=CF=CC=CE=D9_=EC=CF=D6=C2=C1=CE=C1

online search engine is also available.

= http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku.ru/

(the whole basic = vocabulary has been translated and included)

or you can download = the dictionary from here: https://sites.google.com/= site/cernidirgo/sorcu-lo-cukta?pli=3D1

For any questions contact any moderator of http://vk.com/menli.bangu social grou= p or e-mail gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com.

Oh, this is a Russian-related message. I have to = repeat it in Russian then.

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http:/= /wiki.lingvoforum.net/w/=F7=CF=CC=CE=D9_=EC=CF=D6=C2=C1=CE=C1

la gleki:

I see a potential problem with the following= definition as given in the text. It makes "ti" look like a demon= strative adjective, which the Russian terms are, where it's actually mo= re like a demonstrative pronoun. (I think "ti" is just "=DC=D4=CF&= quot;). It can't modif= y anything. And {ti} can also be plural, which is not indicated by the Russ= ian gloss (and shouldn't be if my gloss is used).

ti&n= bsp;"=DC=D4=CF=D4, =DC=D4=C1, =DC=D4=CF" – =C2=CC=C9=DA=CB= =C1=D1 =D7=C5=DD=D8 =C9=CC=C9 =D3=CF=C2=D9=D4=C9=C5 =D0=CF=C2=CC=C9=DA=CF= =D3=D4=C9, =CE=C1 =CB=CF=D4=CF=D2=D9=CA =CD=CF=D6=C5=D4 =D5=CB=C1=DA=C1=D4= =D8 =C7=CF=D7=CF=D2=D1=DD=C9=CA.

Similarly with this question and answer:

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= =EF=D4=D7=C5=D4: ti zdani mi

It could seem like "ti" is being used as a= modifier of "zdani", when it's really more like "ti&quo= t; ('this thing') is the subject of the verb "zdani" (=D1=D7=CC=D1=D4=D8=D3=D1 = =C4=CF=CD=CF=CD (=CB=CF=C7=CF)), and "mi" is the object o= f that verb. despite the full definition given previously (zdani x1 =D1=D7=CC=D1=C5=D4=D3=D1 =C4=CF=CD=CF=CD= x2 (=DE=D8=C9=CD);x1 =D1=D7=CC=D1=C5=D4=D3=D1 =C4=CF=CD=CF=CD x2 (=CB=CF= =C7=CF)). A literal English translation would be "This houses me"= , not "This house is mine". (I can't give the literal Russian= equivalent because I don't know how to make a verb out of the noun &qu= ot;=C4=CF=CD".)

I realize talking about adjectives and verbs with subjects and objects is = not how Lojban is usually described, but a beginner may understand this way= more readily. I think the underlying Lojban structure needs to be emphasiz= ed more in the text.

stevo

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http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku.ru/

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