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[85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m6si9121255een.1.2013.02.10.05.26.38 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:26:39 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbc0bc4.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.11.196]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 52636865024 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:26:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:26:37 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] strange behaviour of {cortu} Message-ID: <20130210132637.GH6270@samsa.fritz.box> References: <84d88820-8c7d-436b-a0cc-222666747afd@googlegroups.com> <2625542.LcrIRrlWQu@caracal> <0c6ecd5d-9e9b-4180-b719-c92d16a4bdfa@googlegroups.com> <710074ba-dfaa-4789-b735-37122a78b1d5@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jQIvE3yXcK9X9HBh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <710074ba-dfaa-4789-b735-37122a78b1d5@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --jQIvE3yXcK9X9HBh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 03:32:32AM -0800, la gleki wrote: > Saying that unfilled places are {zo'e} and can=20 > be easily derived from context makes Lojban not so intuitive for computers > because they don't know this context. Sorry, but that's no argument for me. Contextual interpretation is apart from the symbol grounding problem perhaps _the_ research field in all major AI disciplines(though in very different settings), so expect some progress there. > In fact it just suggests that Lojban is a normal natlangish conlang. > Of course there are no problems perceived by humans in ordinary "vulgar" = speech. Lojban is _supposed_ to be a language for human communication. It just cleans up a lot of problems like audio/visual mismatch and syntactic ambiguity, which make it even harder for computers as well as humans to understand a language. > The problem is that Lojban is too loose in allowing what can be inside=20 > abstraction-sumti ({mi kakne lo nu do citka lo plise} is still gendra=20 > although absolutely nalsmudra). A language (for communication) is _not_ typed lambda calculus. > A fix to this problem might sound like this. No problem, no fix needed. v4hn --jQIvE3yXcK9X9HBh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEXoA0ACgkQMBKLZs4+wjzuLwCfYL5PsFPsDuGxdV7CHMGOlYoB YhoAn33VhsHLQCd1PMTJ9jNKgCwbWDI1 =vX/8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jQIvE3yXcK9X9HBh--