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[85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6si6098879eej.0.2013.02.10.06.13.20 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Feb 2013 06:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbc0bc4.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.11.196]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1B2E0865024 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:13:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:13:19 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] strange behaviour of {cortu} Message-ID: <20130210141319.GI6270@samsa.fritz.box> References: <84d88820-8c7d-436b-a0cc-222666747afd@googlegroups.com> <2625542.LcrIRrlWQu@caracal> <0c6ecd5d-9e9b-4180-b719-c92d16a4bdfa@googlegroups.com> <710074ba-dfaa-4789-b735-37122a78b1d5@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="enLffk0M6cffIOOh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --enLffk0M6cffIOOh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:38:03AM -0300, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assis wrote: > If you input to a computer > (1) {la .djan. cortu lo birka} > (2) {.i ri birka ma}, > it could infer the answer to the question from the following general prin= ciples, > which you may call semantic axioms: > (3) {roda rode ganai cortu gi se pagbu} > (4) {ro da poi birka ku'o ro de poi danlu ganai pagbu gi birka} > and some data providing > (5) {la .djan. danlu} > Question (2) could trigger a search for data expressing a {birka} relatio= n, or > principles having it as its consequent. Finding (4) would trigger a searc= h for > things that imply a {pagbu}. This would lead to (3) which by its turn wou= ld > lead to (1). Then it would be just a case of checking that {la .djan. dan= lu} and > the trivial {lo birka cu birka}. >=20 > Of course there would be typically many side attempts leading to dead end= s, > but nobody said that artificial intelligence is easy and, not really havi= ng any > experience in the area, my point is that the inference is possible, from = very > general semantic information, and with a pretty simple reasoning. People like Patrick Hayes and Drew McDermott tried to do that for a loong t= ime even with logical formulas instead of language(though lojban might be somew= here between). Forget about it. Human everyday reasoning is not based on symbolic inference. It just doesn't work. Abduction, analogy reasoning, etc. might w= ork (at least better than inference), but you're explanation is a very nice exa= mple of the reasoning back in the 1980th. v4hn --enLffk0M6cffIOOh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEXqv8ACgkQMBKLZs4+wjwoHQCgif3XYunrOoxVlhIekTCUc3ik EDUAn1omYsZMZS2AOTxGgthS6edQ+9lE =NQnx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --enLffk0M6cffIOOh--