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   Why do you have to resort to experimental cmavo?  na'e works just fine
there.   Another possibility was "...lob. go'i vy na.enai cy" (or
equivalently, "...lob. go'i genai vy ginai cy", both equivalent to the
English  "neither V nor C")
    --gejyspa


On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 7:38 AM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>>   .i zoi .lob. srpmla'u .lob. na go'i fo vy. .e cy.
>>
> While I know what you meant, this doesn't say what you meant in either of
> the two common variations of {na}. CLL-na moves naku to the front;
> "standard idiom"-na amounts to a naku in the same place. In either case the
> negation scopes over the {.e}, which inverts it, resulting in "It's not
> true that ... for both V and C", i.e. "It's false that ...for at least one
> of V or C". You wanted either {.a} instead of {.e}, terminal {naku}, or (if
> you're into experimental cmavo) {na'ei} in the same place as your {na}.
>
> .i mi xenru lo nu lo se cusku na srana lo se casnu .i mi'e la latro'a mu'o
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 =A0Why do you have to resort to experimental cmavo? =
=A0na&#39;e works just fine there. =A0 Another possibility was &quot;...lob=
. go&#39;i vy na.enai cy&quot; (or equivalently, &quot;...lob. go&#39;i gen=
ai vy ginai cy&quot;, both equivalent to the English =A0&quot;neither V nor=
 C&quot;)<div>
=A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan =
19, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bl=
indbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im"=
>On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 7:38 AM, iesk <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:pa.fae@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">pa.fae@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=A0 .i zoi .lob. srpmla&#39;u .lob. na go&#39;i fo vy. .e cy.<br></blockquo=
te></div><div>While I know what you meant, this doesn&#39;t say what you me=
ant in either of the two common variations of {na}. CLL-na moves naku to th=
e front; &quot;standard idiom&quot;-na amounts to a naku in the same place.=
 In either case the negation scopes over the {.e}, which inverts it, result=
ing in &quot;It&#39;s not true that ... for both V and C&quot;, i.e. &quot;=
It&#39;s false that ...for at least one of V or C&quot;. You wanted either =
{.a} instead of {.e}, terminal {naku}, or (if you&#39;re into experimental =
cmavo) {na&#39;ei} in the same place as your {na}.<br>

<br>.i mi xenru lo nu lo se cusku na srana lo se casnu .i mi&#39;e la latro=
&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></div></div><div class=3D"im HOEnZb">

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