On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:55 AM, la gle= ki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, February 11, 2013 6:17:41 AM UTC+4, lo= jbab wrote:

la gleki wrote:
> "This is-a-house of me" will sound extremely strange in = Russian so "=CD=CF=CA"
> is retained. But this stylistically awkward "=FC=D4=CF =C4=CF= =CD =CD=C5=CE=D1" (This
> is-a-house of-me) is put into the the answer (which is greyed).
>
> =9A =9A (I can't give the literal Russian equivalent because I= don't know
> =9A =9A how to make a verb out of the noun "=C4=CF=CD".)
>
>
> Me neither.

I don't either, and my Russian is even rustier than my Lojban (and = I was=20
never better than "semi-fluent in 6-year-old Russian" when I = could talk=20
clumsily to my newly adopted kids 20 years ago), but I seem to recall= =20
that there is an adjective form for most nouns, and IIRC you can turn a= n=20
adjective into a verb in a couple of ways.

Also, while zdani is translated into English easiest as a noun or=20
perhaps a verb, but there is an adjective version as well (though very= =20
hard to render in English). =9AThis is a housish thing of mine, perhaps= .=20
Or perhaps the gerund version (which may have a Russian equivalent) Thi= s=20
is housing for me.

If you wanna get such translatio= ns then i can give them to you. However, russian is obviously not as flexib= le as lojban. Of course, mutilating rigid natlangs in order to show somethi= ng from lojban grammar is possible (see an example with "a dog all ove= r the road" in Wave lessons showing amazing effects of {tu'o}).

But i wouldn't recommend it without further explanations.

In fact {zdani mi}~=3D"a-house-of me". But in Ru= ssian i can't apply "pronoun+genitive case" that corresponds = to English <'of'+pronoun>.

However, one can choose "noun+genitive" and t= his will be grammatically correct in Russian.

So we could change = the example from {ti zdani mi} to {ti zdani lo gerku}=3D"this is-a-hou= se+of a-dog"=3D"=DC=D4=CF =C4=CF=CD =D3=CF=C2=C1=CB=C9-GENITIVE&q= uot;.

This suffers from the same problem as the = original did, namely, that it doesn't show the verbness of "zdani&= quot;. In this thread, we've beaten it to death (made it abundantly cle= ar a'o), so the issue should be clear. And the text has been fixed alre= ady.=9A

stevo

lojbab

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