On= Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

{na'e}, at least in my understanding of = it, requires a scale. This is frequently nonsensical, including in this sit= uation. {na'ei} is the contradictory negation NAhE.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Mon, Feb 11,= 2013 at 10:34 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0 =A0Why do you have to resort to experimental cmavo? = =A0na'e works just fine there. =A0 Another possibility was "...lob= . go'i vy na.enai cy" (or equivalently, "...lob. go'i gen= ai vy ginai cy", both equivalent to the English =A0"neither V nor= C")
=A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On= Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 7:38 AM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> = wrote:

=A0 .i zoi .lob. srpmla'u .lob. na go'i fo vy. .e cy.
While I know what you meant, this doesn't say what you me= ant in either of the two common variations of {na}. CLL-na moves naku to th= e front; "standard idiom"-na amounts to a naku in the same place.= In either case the negation scopes over the {.e}, which inverts it, result= ing in "It's not true that ... for both V and C", i.e. "= It's false that ...for at least one of V or C". You wanted either = {.a} instead of {.e}, terminal {naku}, or (if you're into experimental = cmavo) {na'ei} in the same place as your {na}.

.i mi xenru lo nu lo se cusku na srana lo se casnu .i mi'e la latro= 'a mu'o

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