Received: from mail-oa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.219.61]:61104) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U53yZ-0003Dk-O1; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:44:04 -0800 Received: by mail-oa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id k14sf2405917oag.6 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:43:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:from:to :subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=kP3lFAPdzx8J5gnDypUu4wPVDajjXFPbyk+zSZHivWs=; b=CWX2nSKOrDBP78J6mWNxDPq7nprSXRlb2Q7flar8ZoUdtnt+TG82R0XRFg3T0CKFMg KPufI794+xL1tP5q6vPpbSX3RhJ08960a/mjYJ89bFAypNIdUxcEl4C/ehwDBxlbms69 H60yxS0o6ufCDKExt90kLvernvuh7FBVXBndJkHuP/6TgjDhaQnUqXt346W2IandKPeu JcIqwu0VbQX2pg479z+DX3i3n/TTcxqzZ8I5UZbK13H1yvcA39XV+M5/K+s1NKr0GBat ynonPPq419ryAGyuQtRGb71mkWzgyjHMCznjCZD0VqQPVV5AAlVwp4allaasWTMAQ1n8 nFXg== X-Received: by 10.49.116.139 with SMTP id jw11mr1180678qeb.12.1360629833116; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:43:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.1.5 with SMTP id 5ls1900965qei.18.gmail; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:43:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.116.9 with SMTP id f9mr5862320yhh.31.1360629832716; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:43:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.116.9 with SMTP id f9mr5862318yhh.31.1360629832706; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from leopard.ixazon.lan ([2001:470:8:42:f553:599a:1134:92c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e7si1770090yhk.3.2013.02.11.16.43.52; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:f553:599a:1134:92c is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:f553:599a:1134:92c; Received: from caracal.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:8:42:dcab:79f4:a022:9b41]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAC64AAD for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:43:45 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: The Lojban Reference Grammar in Russian language Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:43:39 -0500 Message-ID: <2764427.bXlZzQbCEE@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-36-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <16623498.1257.1325847794838.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgl3> <511854C5.7020101@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:f553:599a:1134:92c is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Monday, February 11, 2013 07:55:06 la gleki wrote: > However, one can choose "noun+genitive" and this will be grammatically > correct in Russian. > So we could change the example from {ti zdani mi} to {ti zdani lo > gerku}=3D"this is-a-house+of a-dog"=3D"=D1=8D=D1=82=D0=BE =D0=B4=D0=BE=D0= =BC =D1=81=D0=BE=D0=B1=D0=B0=D0=BA=D0=B8-GENITIVE". Or "=D1=8D=D1=82=D0=BE =D0=B5=D0=B3=D0=BE/=D0=B5=D1=91/=D0=B8=D1=85 =D0=B4= =D0=BE=D0=BC" - those are genitive. English is the same way, except=20 that the genitive of "I, thou, we, you" is missing, rather than present but= =20 not used as a possessive, as in Russian. "His" and "their" are genitives (I= =20 had to look "their" up); the rest are possessive adjectives. I looked up "house" (verb) on Wiktionary and found "=D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0= =B5=D1=89=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C". Could it or=20 some other sort of "=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=89=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C" be used in "this = houses a dog"? Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.