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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Monday, February 11, 2013 18:25:36 Ian Johnson wrote:
> > {na'e}, at least in my understanding of it, requires a scale. This is
> > frequently nonsensical, including in this situation. {na'ei} is the
> > contradictory negation NAhE.
>
> The caption of the drawing in the Book is "mi na'e lumci lo karce". A
> scale is
> fairly obvious ("to'e lumci lo karce" would mean getting mud all over it),
> but
> having an accident is not on the scale. Also, one can say "na'ebo le
> mlatu",
> and the cat is not on a scale (unless the vet is weighing him).
>
> Pierre
>

  I agree completely.  As I have asserted more than once, the use of the
word "scalar" in re: na'e is misleading, since there basically infinite
scales passing through any given brivla, just as there are infinite lines
passing through a single point.  Re-read sections 3 and 4 of chapter 15 of
the CLL.  Na'e basically just means "non-x"  "lo mlatu cu na'e gerku" is
perfectly fine and sensible.  But in this particular case of drani, I
didn't have the raise that argument which some take issue with, since drani
can certainly be seen by all to have a scale.   Therefore, I did not.

                 --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezit=
opo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Monday, February 11, 2013 18:25:36 Ian Johnson wrote:<=
br>
&gt; {na&#39;e}, at least in my understanding of it, requires a scale. This=
 is<br>
&gt; frequently nonsensical, including in this situation. {na&#39;ei} is th=
e<br>
&gt; contradictory negation NAhE.<br>
<br>
</div>The caption of the drawing in the Book is &quot;mi na&#39;e lumci lo =
karce&quot;. A scale is<br>
fairly obvious (&quot;to&#39;e lumci lo karce&quot; would mean getting mud =
all over it), but<br>
having an accident is not on the scale. Also, one can say &quot;na&#39;ebo =
le mlatu&quot;,<br>
and the cat is not on a scale (unless the vet is weighing him).<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=A0 I agree comple=
tely. =A0As I have asserted more than once, the use of the word &quot;scala=
r&quot; in re: na&#39;e is misleading, since there basically infinite scale=
s passing through any given brivla, just as there are infinite lines passin=
g through a single point. =A0Re-read sections 3 and 4 of chapter 15 of the =
CLL. =A0Na&#39;e basically just means &quot;non-x&quot; =A0&quot;lo mlatu c=
u na&#39;e gerku&quot; is perfectly fine and sensible. =A0But in this parti=
cular case of drani, I didn&#39;t have the raise that argument which some t=
ake issue with, since drani can certainly be seen by all to have a scale. =
=A0 Therefore, I did not.</div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div>=
<br></div></div></div>

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