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On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:43:39 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>
> On Monday, February 11, 2013 07:55:06 la gleki wrote:=20
> > However, one can choose "noun+genitive" and this will be grammatically=
=20
> > correct in Russian.=20
> > So we could change the example from {ti zdani mi} to {ti zdani lo=20
> > gerku}=3D"this is-a-house+of a-dog"=3D"=D1=8D=D1=82=D0=BE =D0=B4=D0=BE=
=D0=BC =D1=81=D0=BE=D0=B1=D0=B0=D0=BA=D0=B8-GENITIVE".=20
>
> Or "=D1=8D=D1=82=D0=BE =D0=B5=D0=B3=D0=BE/=D0=B5=D1=91/=D0=B8=D1=85 =D0=
=B4=D0=BE=D0=BC" - those are genitive. English is the same way,=20
> except=20
> that the genitive of "I, thou, we, you" is missing, rather than present=
=20
> but=20
> not used as a possessive, as in Russian. "His" and "their" are genitives=
=20
> (I=20
> had to look "their" up); the rest are possessive adjectives.=20
>
> I looked up "house" (verb) on Wiktionary and found "=D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=
=B5=D1=89=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C". Could it or=20
> some other sort of "=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=89=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C" be used in "thi=
s houses a dog"?=20
>

Well, =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=89=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C can rather mean "to =
put into". There is no such verb as=20
=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=89=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C. Don't ask me why. I never liked the g=
rammar of Russian or English.=20
In fact i speak english by just recalling most frequent templates that i've=
=20
heard in my life.

Of course you might find an appropriate word but i'm sure it will be very=
=20
unusual. I don't want any crazy mutilated Russia/English/whatever in one=20
the very first waves.

ta'onai {zdani=3Dse xabju}. So of course we may assume that {ti zdani mi=3D=
ti=20
se xabju mi}. {xabju=3Dto inhabit=3D=D0=BD=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8F=D1=
=82=D1=8C}. As {se} is usually expressed=20
using passive voice in Russian then {ti se xabju mi =3D =D1=8D=D1=82=D0=BE =
=D0=BD=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8F=D0=B5=D1=82=D1=81=D1=8F =D0=BC=D0=BD=
=D0=BE=D0=B9}.
It's very unusual probably as unusual as English "this one is inhabited by=
=20
me".
Do we need that in a popular textbook?


> Pierre=20
> --=20
> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.=20
> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.=20
>
>

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<br><br>On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:43:39 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Monday, February 11, 2013 0=
7:55:06 la gleki wrote:
<br>&gt; However, one can choose "noun+genitive" and this will be grammatic=
ally
<br>&gt; correct in Russian.
<br>&gt; So we could change the example from {ti zdani mi} to {ti zdani lo
<br>&gt; gerku}=3D"this is-a-house+of a-dog"=3D"=D1=8D=D1=82=D0=BE =D0=B4=
=D0=BE=D0=BC =D1=81=D0=BE=D0=B1=D0=B0=D0=BA=D0=B8-GENITIVE".
<br>
<br>Or "=D1=8D=D1=82=D0=BE =D0=B5=D0=B3=D0=BE/=D0=B5=D1=91/=D0=B8=D1=85 =D0=
=B4=D0=BE=D0=BC" - those are genitive. English is the same way, except=20
<br>that the genitive of "I, thou, we, you" is missing, rather than present=
 but=20
<br>not used as a possessive, as in Russian. "His" and "their" are genitive=
s (I=20
<br>had to look "their" up); the rest are possessive adjectives.
<br>
<br>I looked up "house" (verb) on Wiktionary and found "=D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BC=
=D0=B5=D1=89=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C". Could it or=20
<br>some other sort of "=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=89=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C" be used in "t=
his houses a dog"?
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=89=
=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C can rather mean "to put into". There is no such verb as =
=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=89=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C. Don't ask me why. I never liked the g=
rammar of Russian or English. In fact i speak english by just recalling mos=
t frequent templates that i've heard in my life.</div><div><br></div><div>O=
f course you might find an appropriate word but i'm sure it will be very un=
usual. I don't want any crazy mutilated Russia/English/whatever in one the =
very first waves.</div><div><br></div><div>ta'onai {zdani=3Dse xabju}. So o=
f course we may assume that {ti zdani mi=3Dti se xabju mi}. {xabju=3Dto inh=
abit=3D=D0=BD=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8F=D1=82=D1=8C}. As {se} is usuall=
y expressed using passive voice in Russian then {ti se xabju mi =3D =D1=8D=
=D1=82=D0=BE =D0=BD=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8F=D0=B5=D1=82=D1=81=D1=8F =
=D0=BC=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B9}.</div><div>It's very unusual probably as unusual =
as English "this one is inhabited by me".</div><div>Do we need that in a po=
pular textbook?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: =
1ex;">
<br>Pierre
<br>--=20
<br>When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
<br>J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.
<br>
<br></blockquote>

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