Received: from mail-wg0-f62.google.com ([74.125.82.62]:33071) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U6jqp-0003Ha-Na; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:39:07 -0800 Received: by mail-wg0-f62.google.com with SMTP id dr1sf1200228wgb.27 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:38:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=4soeq/3Hkj229oesyHo/ZrqPt2wKE0KASKoq1uLJUD8=; b=J+uGSHyycpeSCDdJvT/q3OvIJ+BXtPMfs5FCMM98mI6dxRVvQeKT7AYIYOIAAthER8 oRymSGOed0nJMpFNCfOwfhXXvI3jGYXyIojlD8wOpOtyPcKDzTGUuv1pXMK+XRxtDgXV NWWw8SJYApQ2bur9VMCpc1jdtMuwjUWw15kOIqsIQgHTl64ZjwEHlS1vZLYqziKLx2i9 6YboVq9E9eqQX7dnhwNJCfNlJ8rn+BnbZuSdc0h87fnf7MTp5KZMzwXwd5+hJnTYjw4G n6s24ciFbdFBVlkqxtg7YB1Jknf90zDXaSvvKelBTGZBD53VkK9L6Qc9VJw8Pt6iIoDJ Isbw== X-Received: by 10.180.91.169 with SMTP id cf9mr430217wib.15.1361029128124; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:38:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.20.111 with SMTP id m15ls232565wie.38.gmail; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:38:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.0.196 with SMTP id 44mr6941677eeb.4.1361029127705; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:38:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.0.196 with SMTP id 44mr6941676eeb.4.1361029127696; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 47si2209795eeh.1.2013.02.16.07.38.47 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbadcfd.pool.mediaWays.net [77.186.220.253]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 23D8A8650A1 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:38:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:38:46 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] srana zo za'o Message-ID: <20130216153846.GF10126@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20130216005511.GB10126@samsa.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="L2Brqb15TUChFOBK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --L2Brqb15TUChFOBK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:00:41AM -0500, MorphemeAddict wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:55 PM, v4hn wrote: > > Also, how {ba'e} would one utter "She continues sleeping" without {za'o= }? > > {.i ko'a to'e de'a sipna}? Without the "natural end" I would just say > > {.i ko'a za'o sipna}, which would mean {.i ko'a sipna za'o lo cabnu}, > > as described in the byfy section on {za'o}. But even then, I don't see > > any reason to call "now" a "natural end" of her sleeping. >=20 > If someone sleeps past the natural end (an indefinite point, to be sure), > you start getting concerned and wondering when he'll way up. What's wrong > that he's been asleep for so long? > Just one example. Ah, one more thing about this usage: Most examples make {za'o broda} look like something negative. However, =2Ei u'u mi pu cladu .iku'i ko'a pu za'o sipna should be fine as well, isn't it? And it's nothing negative to go on sleepi= ng if someone makes noise. v4hn --L2Brqb15TUChFOBK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEfqAYACgkQMBKLZs4+wjwdqgCgp4M8r5Gi4QxzGpcXsNhnf/us bk4Anicb7AgxVA3rYWK/g6vMzV5HrcGA =jTH4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --L2Brqb15TUChFOBK--