Received: from mail-vb0-f62.google.com ([209.85.212.62]:61047) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U7OGd-0001KI-GU; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:48:28 -0800 Received: by mail-vb0-f62.google.com with SMTP id k17sf2210460vbj.7 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:48:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GZ4cJN3YhQilJxcvgJNniAZIIblSa80l64Zdael/4Bg=; b=Anh4mBqnMzB5YBTSuadd6ezYxKq4YuuhJk0swXvQejSPrLJLC7haDAL9ZEX4KABPzH JNzebJ/ozn7lp3GiJWV0ZElirfB9U5MGbvl1wCXgBCX/0DYUznY7YUGx/gLPNXnMPss2 NB81vnzBZYBLgZrqIoFEg6twUEkwKsrz8TGhe6whyw5I56cQiF6YsUH+wgBJgztjLgPv NFeUJawBfcN92ex6X5IH5eDKSHMoU2+rPu++bTVaR/+tlUOfVfI2+/2H4GCjyuR91NDI eo03fUoOeZBEw2wzyYvJ9GZLR7vkVgw7sJ74dHq1OUELAjdqPtmMbtzzvEFcTIoWArcs M2OQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GZ4cJN3YhQilJxcvgJNniAZIIblSa80l64Zdael/4Bg=; b=gMnw4iZBclBbRNitk5h3O8YNx1xu+X/2l6jKtrG1JBW3UWoMblDKhe/uaZ8woWw715 uJr5wkGUtSdWm5iD/fhmwy8TFICd6MAiZPJIalN+6SEMTOUM9gUPcWYXORPPWReVf3G7 i2qoRHGsdrxoya/UvyhD9ALfuJ8GHtbyZm8yWt+HmoB7FDL/iPikXLd/+q1usPqZSqaz NyZBRzPCHYNGQ6jENBP12U5/b7G9QMsGSYVky5C3gdLWfn9RvgtCgrJznRq9TMbbE1Zb hj+wyfwkruu0ThYlMbcLQVo/CAXq3wGR0jLqUqTeVWCiXiJWZUrMxm5nT9cQocxhbIGN aWfg== X-Received: by 10.50.157.138 with SMTP id wm10mr1086523igb.5.1361184488622; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:48:08 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.106.202 with SMTP id gw10ls416680igb.39.gmail; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:48:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.244.2 with SMTP id lo2mr7097295icb.9.1361184488179; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:48:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.244.2 with SMTP id lo2mr7097292icb.9.1361184488142; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ia0-x232.google.com (ia-in-x0232.1e100.net [2607:f8b0:4001:c02::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vz3si787921igb.0.2013.02.18.02.48.08 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c02::232; Received: by mail-ia0-f178.google.com with SMTP id y26so5150842iab.9 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:48:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.13.175 with SMTP id i15mr230956igc.105.1361184488022; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.194.193 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:48:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2418360.mlXHRCALLa@caracal> References: <2418360.mlXHRCALLa@caracal> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:48:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] imbrike From: Remo Dentato To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f382e1e28204d5fd75fa X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0447f382e1e28204d5fd75fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The "=C3=A8mbrice" is a very specific shingle, the common Italian word is "t=C3=A8gola" (with letters pronounced as in lojban) from the latin "t=C3= =A8gula" from "t=C3=A8gere"=3Dto cover. In Italian the sound for that 'c' is t=CD=A1=CA=83 (/tS/ in X-SAMPA) rather than k (/k/). Same goes for Latin since in Italy the Latin words are pronounced according to the ecclesiastic Latin rather than the classical Latin. I would go with the fu'ivla {embritce} (rembembering that the stress is on the {ibu} ) only for that very specific type of shingle and would resort to a lujvo (probably {rudyta'o} with gloss "x1=3Dt1 is a shingle/tile covering the roof of x2=3Dr2 made of x3=3Dt2") for the generic concept. mi'e mu'o la .remod. On Monday, February 18, 2013, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I'm thinking of "imbrike" for "roof tile, shingle, or scale" (x1 is a > tile/shingle/scale covering x2, ovelapping in direction x3). Is this > concept > useful enough in composition that it could have been made a gismu, had > anyone > thought of it back then? Should it be "imbrike" or "imbrice"? 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The "=C3=A8mbrice" is a very spec= ific shingle, the common Italian word is "t=C3=A8gola" (with let= ters=C2=A0pronounced as in lojban) from the latin "t=C3=A8gula" f= rom "t=C3=A8gere"=3Dto cover.

In Italian the sound for that 'c' is t=CD=A1=CA=83=C2=A0 (/tS/ in X-SAMP= A) rather than k (/k/). Same goes for Latin since in Italy the Latin words = are pronounced according to the ecclesiastic Latin rather than the classica= l Latin.

I would go with the fu'ivla {embritce} (rembembering that the= stress is on the {ibu} ) only for that very specific type of shingle and w= ould resort to a lujvo (probably {rudyta'o} with gloss "x1=3Dt1 is= a shingle/tile covering the roof of x2=3Dr2 made of x3=3Dt2") for the= generic concept.

mi'e mu'o la .remod.



On Monday, February 18, 2013, Pierre Abbat wro= te:
I'm thinking of "= ;imbrike" for "roof tile, shingle, or scale" (x1 is a
tile/shingle/scale covering x2, ovelapping in direction x3). Is this concep= t
useful enough in composition that it could have been made a gismu, had anyo= ne
thought of it back then? Should it be "imbrike" or "imbrice&= quot;? Or "embrice"
(which is how it's spelled in modern Italian)?

Pierre
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