: > The "=C3=A8mbrice" is a very specific shingle, the common Italian word is= "t=C3=A8gola" (with letters pronounced as in lojban) from the latin "t=C3= =A8gula" from "t=C3=A8gere"=3Dto cover. >=20 > In Italian the sound for that 'c' is t=CD=A1=CA=83 (/tS/ in X-SAMPA) rat= her than k (/k/). Same goes for Latin since in Italy the Latin words are pr= onounced according to the ecclesiastic Latin rather than the classical Lati= n. >=20 > I would go with the fu'ivla {embritce} (rembembering that the stress is o= n the {ibu} ) only for that very specific type of shingle and would resort = to a lujvo (probably {rudyta'o} with gloss "x1=3Dt1 is a shingle/tile cover= ing the roof of x2=3Dr2 made of x3=3Dt2") for the generic concept. >=20 > mi'e mu'o la .remod. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Monday, February 18, 2013, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> I'm thinking of "imbrike" for "roof tile, shingle, or scale" (x1 is a >> tile/shingle/scale covering x2, ovelapping in direction x3). Is this con= cept >> useful enough in composition that it could have been made a gismu, had a= nyone >> thought of it back then? Should it be "imbrike" or "imbrice"? Or "embric= e" >> (which is how it's spelled in modern Italian)? >>=20 >> Pierre >> -- >> ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji >>=20 >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > =20 > =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --Apple-Mail-BDAF78EE-71DE-424A-A6EF-7E956A9C76AA Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I don'= t understand the need for a fu'ivla for such a non-specific word.

When I now look up the words ti= le/shingle/scale used in the proposed definition for {imbrike}, these words= seem to have different meanings, and therefore produce a rather vague pe'i= brivla.

So if the int= ention is to have a word for the more general concept "roof covering", I su= ggest the lujvo {drugadri}: g1 is a roof covering for covering/sheltering r= oof d1=3Dg2.

{rudyta'o} suggested by la= remod seems to be (too?) specific, since not all roof coverings are made o= f boards.

Another type of roof covering= is for example "roofing tile" (the intended word?), {drustaku}: s1 is a qu= antity of/contains/made of flooring tile(s) made by s2, of composition s3, = in form/shape s4, for use on roof d1.

B= y the way, there have been a lot of discussions of glossary on the mailing = list, but these discussions far from always result in words added in jbovla= ste. Why?

mu'omi'e jongausib

But if the intention is to use the very specific = meaning "a very specific shingle", it would be useful to have a fu'ivla. Bu= t why a stage-4. Do we really have to fill the jbovlaste with odd looking s= tage-4 fu'ivla (unless they seem especially useful like {iklki} and {fi'ikc= a}).

I wouldn't know w= hat the hell {embrice} is if someone use this word in a conversation, but w= ith {stakrembrice} I would at least have a clue.

I know that some lojbanists seem to dislike, and= therefore avoid stage-3.

But in my opinion I think stage-3 should be standard. The reason for th= is is that they add a subject category to the word (by which you for exampl= e could distinguish words like {cmacrnintegrale} and {dinjnintegrale}, CLL = 4.7, or the difference between the plant, the spice, the seed or some other= part of a particular genus).

Additionally, I do like the phonetic variation of differ= ent kind of words in lojban, from the simple klama to the crunchy sound of = the consonant cluster in stage-3. Also I think stage-4 should almost ONLY b= e introduced "where a fu'ivla has become so common or= so important that it must be made as short as possible" (CLL 4.7).<= /div>

Skickat fr=C3=A5n min iPhone<= /span>

18 feb 2013= kl. 11:48 skrev Remo Dentato <rde= ntato@gmail.com>:

The "= =C3=A8mbrice" is a very specific shingle, the common Italian word is "t=C3= =A8gola" (with letters pronounced as in lojban) from the latin "t=C3= =A8gula" from "t=C3=A8gere"=3Dto cover.

In Italian the sound for that 'c' is t=CD=A1=CA=83 (/tS/ in X-SAMPA) rather than= k (/k/). Same goes for Latin since in Italy the Latin words are pronounced= according to the ecclesiastic Latin rather than the classical Latin.

I would go with the fu'ivla {embritce} (rembembering that the str= ess is on the {ibu} ) only for that very specific type of shingle and would= resort to a lujvo (probably {rudyta'o} with gloss "x1=3Dt1 is a shingle/ti= le covering the roof of x2=3Dr2 made of x3=3Dt2") for the generic concept.<= br>
mi'e mu'o la .remod.

<= /span>

On Monday, February 18, 2013, Pierre Abbat wrote:

I'm thinking of "imbrike"= for "roof tile, shingle, or scale" (x1 is a
tile/shingle/scale covering x2, ovelapping in direction x3). Is this concep= t
useful enough in composition that it could have been made a gismu, had anyo= ne
thought of it back then? Should it be "imbrike" or "imbrice"? Or "embrice"<= br> (which is how it's spelled in modern Italian)?

Pierre
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji

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