: > The "=C3=A8mbrice" is a very specific shingle, the common Italian word is= "t=C3=A8gola" (with letters pronounced as in lojban) from the latin "t=C3= =A8gula" from "t=C3=A8gere"=3Dto cover. >=20 > In Italian the sound for that 'c' is t=CD=A1=CA=83 (/tS/ in X-SAMPA) rat= her than k (/k/). Same goes for Latin since in Italy the Latin words are pr= onounced according to the ecclesiastic Latin rather than the classical Lati= n. >=20 > I would go with the fu'ivla {embritce} (rembembering that the stress is o= n the {ibu} ) only for that very specific type of shingle and would resort = to a lujvo (probably {rudyta'o} with gloss "x1=3Dt1 is a shingle/tile cover= ing the roof of x2=3Dr2 made of x3=3Dt2") for the generic concept. >=20 > mi'e mu'o la .remod. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Monday, February 18, 2013, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> I'm thinking of "imbrike" for "roof tile, shingle, or scale" (x1 is a >> tile/shingle/scale covering x2, ovelapping in direction x3). Is this con= cept >> useful enough in composition that it could have been made a gismu, had a= nyone >> thought of it back then? Should it be "imbrike" or "imbrice"? Or "embric= e" >> (which is how it's spelled in modern Italian)? >>=20 >> Pierre >> -- >> ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji >>=20 >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > =20 > =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --Apple-Mail-72063E28-33C4-4224-A811-A0A8A5984AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The disposition became a little bit w= rong, so therefore I send this mail again.

.ienai

I don't und= erstand the need for a fu'ivla for such a non-specific word.

When I now look up the words tile/sh= ingle/scale used in the proposed definition for {imbrike}, these words seem= to have different meanings, and therefore produce a rather vague pe'i briv= la.

So if the intentio= n is to have a word for the more general concept "roof covering", I suggest= the lujvo {drugadri}: g1 is a roof covering for covering/sheltering roof d= 1=3Dg2.

{rudyta'o} suggested by la remo= d seems to be (too?) specific, since not all roof coverings are made of boa= rds.

Another type of roof covering is f= or example "roofing tile" (the intended word?), {drustaku}: s1 is a quantit= y of/contains/made of flooring tile(s) made by s2, of composition s3, in fo= rm/shape s4, for use on roof d1.

But if= the intention is to use the very specific meaning "a very specific shingle= ", it would be useful to have a fu'ivla. But why a stage-4. Do we really ha= ve to fill the jbovlaste with odd looking stage-4 fu'ivla (unless they seem= especially useful like {iklki} and {fi'ikca}).

I wouldn't know what the hell {embrice} is if som= eone use this word in a conversation, but with {stakrembrice} I would at le= ast have a clue.

I kno= w that some lojbanists seem to dislike, and therefore avoid stage-3.

<= div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">But in my opinion I think st= age-3 should be standard. The reason for this is that they add a subject ca= tegory to the word (by which you for example could distinguish words like {= cmacrnintegrale} and {dinjnintegrale}, CLL 4.7, or the difference between t= he plant, the spice, the seed or some other part of a particular genus).&nb= sp;

Additionally,= I do like the phonetic variation of different kind of words in lojban, fro= m the simple klama to the crunchy sound of the consonant cluster in stage-3= . Also I think stage-4 should almost ONLY be introduced "where a fu'ivla has become so common or so important that it must be ma= de as short as possible" (CLL 4.7).

By the way, there have been a lot of discussions of g= lossary on the mailing list, but these discussions far from always result i= n words added in jbovlaste. Why?

mu'o= mi'e jongausib

Ski= ckat fr=C3=A5n min iPhone

18 feb 2013 kl. 11:48 skrev Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>:

The "=C3=A8mbrice" is a very specific shingle, the comm= on Italian word is "t=C3=A8gola" (with letters pronounced as in lojba= n) from the latin "t=C3=A8gula" from "t=C3=A8gere"=3Dto cover.

In Italian the sound for that 'c' is t=CD=A1=CA=83 (/tS/ in X-SAMPA) rather than= k (/k/). Same goes for Latin since in Italy the Latin words are pronounced= according to the ecclesiastic Latin rather than the classical Latin.

I would go with the fu'ivla {embritce} (rembembering that the str= ess is on the {ibu} ) only for that very specific type of shingle and would= resort to a lujvo (probably {rudyta'o} with gloss "x1=3Dt1 is a shingle/ti= le covering the roof of x2=3Dr2 made of x3=3Dt2") for the generic concept.<= br>

mi'e mu'o la .remod.

<= /span>

On Monday, February 18, 2013, Pierre Abbat wrote:

I'm thinking of "imbrike"= for "roof tile, shingle, or scale" (x1 is a
tile/shingle/scale covering x2, ovelapping in direction x3). Is this concep= t
useful enough in composition that it could have been made a gismu, had anyo= ne
thought of it back then? Should it be "imbrike" or "imbrice"? Or "embrice"<= br> (which is how it's spelled in modern Italian)?

Pierre
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