I also oppose a fu'ivla, and think drutapla is fine. I'd b= e more concerned with its material (t3) than "direction of overlap" any day= (we could always fi'o that if it were important to talk about, b= ut in my fifty years of life, I have never once heard anyone mention the di= rection of shingles/tiles. And I've had roofwork done on my house sev= eral times).

--gejyspa

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Sebastian = <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:

The disposition became a little bit wrong, so therefore I send this= mail again.

.ienai
I don't understand t= he need for a fu'ivla for such a non-specific word.
When I now lo= ok up the words tile/shingle/scale used in the proposed definition for {imb= rike}, these words seem to have different meanings, and therefore produce a= rather vague pe'i brivla.

So if the intention is to have a word for the more general concept "ro= of covering", I suggest the lujvo {drugadri}: g1 is a roof covering for cov= ering/sheltering roof d1=3Dg2.

{rudyta'o} suggeste= d by la remod seems to be (too?) specific, since not all roof coverings are= made of boards.

Another type of roof covering is for example "roofing t= ile" (the intended word?), {drustaku}: s1 is a quantity of/contains/made of= flooring tile(s) made by s2, of composition s3, in form/shape s4, for use = on roof d1.

But if the intention is to use = the very specific meaning "a very specific shingle", it would be useful to = have a fu'ivla. But why a stage-4. Do we really have to fill the jbovlaste = with odd looking stage-4 fu'ivla (unless they seem especially useful like {= iklki} and {fi'ikca}).

I wouldn't know what the hell {embrice} is if someone use this word in= a conversation, but with {stakrembrice} I would at least have a clue.
I know that some lojbanists seem to dislike, and therefore avoid stag= e-3.

But in my opinion I think stage-3 should be standard. The reason for t= his is that they add a subject category to the word (by which you for examp= le could distinguish words like {cmacrnintegrale} and {dinjnintegrale}, CLL= 4.7, or the difference between the plant, the spice, the seed or some othe= r part of a particular genus).

Additionally, I do like the phonetic variation of different kind= of words in lojban, from the simple klama to the crunchy sound of the cons= onant cluster in stage-3. Also I think stage-4 should almost ONLY be introd= uced "where a f= u'ivla has become so common or so important that it must be made as short a= s possible" (CLL 4.7).

By the way, there have been a lot of = discussions of glossary on the mailing list, but these discussions far from= always result in words added in jbovlaste. Why?

mu'omi'e jongausib

Skickat fr=C3=A5n min iPhone
=

18 feb 2013 kl. 11:48 skrev Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>:

The "=C3=A8mbrice" is a very specific shingle, the common = Italian word is "t=C3=A8gola" (with letters pronounced as in lojban) = from the latin "t=C3=A8gula" from "t=C3=A8gere"=3Dto cover.

In Italian the sound for that 'c' is t=CD=A1=CA=83 (/tS/ in X-SAMPA) rath= er than k (/k/). Same goes for Latin since in Italy the Latin words are pro= nounced according to the ecclesiastic Latin rather than the classical Latin= .

I would go with the fu'ivla {embritce} (rembembering that the str= ess is on the {ibu} ) only for that very specific type of shingle and would= resort to a lujvo (probably {rudyta'o} with gloss "x1=3Dt1 is a shingle/ti= le covering the roof of x2=3Dr2 made of x3=3Dt2") for the generic concept.<= br>
mi'e mu'o la .remod.

<= /span>

On Monday, February 18, 2013, Pierre Abbat wrote:

I'm thinking of "imbrike"= for "roof tile, shingle, or scale" (x1 is a
tile/shingle/scale covering x2, ovelapping in direction x3). Is this concep= t
useful enough in composition that it could have been made a gismu, had anyo= ne
thought of it back then? Should it be "imbrike" or "imbrice"? Or "embrice"<= br> (which is how it's spelled in modern Italian)?

Pierre
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji

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