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On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

May I suggest to add the word after we'll find a = use for it? E.g. in a translation or some other work. Just to be sure that = we are not missing anything that may be relevant for a real user of the wor= d "shingle"

my 2c

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at= 5:11 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wro= te:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0You may add it= . I don't put much stock into "discovery rights" when it come= s to jbovla. =C2=A0 I add words to jbovlaste when I need to coin them for m= y own uses, but not usually when I suggest them for someone else's need= s.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Sebastian <s= o.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:

.ie
pe'= i {drutapla} is better than {drustaku} for "roofing tile", since = tiles could be of different materials and forms.

Could you please add this word to jbovlaste, gejyspe?
I could as well, but I don't want to take cred from someone el= se.

mu'omi'e jongausib

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18 feb 2013 kl. 15:30 = skrev Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>:

=C2=A0I also oppose a fu'ivla, and think drutapla= is fine. =C2=A0I'd be more concerned with its material (t3) than "= ;direction of overlap" any day (we could always fi'o that if it we= re important to=C2=A0talk=C2=A0about, but in my fifty years of life, I have= never once heard anyone mention the direction of shingles/tiles. =C2=A0And= I've had roofwork done on my house several times).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Sebastian = <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:

The disposition became a little bit wrong, so therefore I send this= mail again.

.ienai
I don't understand the need f= or a fu'ivla for such a non-specific word.
When I now look up= the words tile/shingle/scale used in the proposed definition for {imbrike}= , these words seem to have different meanings, and therefore produce a rath= er vague pe'i brivla.

So if the intention is to have a word for the more general concept &qu= ot;roof covering", I suggest the lujvo {drugadri}: g1 is a roof coveri= ng for covering/sheltering roof d1=3Dg2.

{rudyta&#= 39;o} suggested by la remod seems to be (too?) specific, since not all roof= coverings are made of boards.

Another type of roof covering is for example "roof= ing tile" (the intended word?), {drustaku}: s1 is a quantity of/contai= ns/made of flooring tile(s) made by s2, of composition s3, in form/shape s4= , for use on roof d1.

But if the intention is to use the very spec= ific meaning "a very specific shingle", it would be useful to hav= e a fu'ivla. But why a stage-4. Do we really have to fill the jbovlaste= with odd looking stage-4 fu'ivla (unless they seem especially useful l= ike {iklki} and {fi'ikca}).

I wouldn't know what the hell {embrice} is if someone use this wor= d in a conversation, but with {stakrembrice} I would at least have a clue.<= /div>
I know that some lojbanists seem to dislike, and therefore avoid = stage-3.

But in my opinion I think stage-3 should be standard. The reason for t= his is that they add a subject category to the word (by which you for examp= le could distinguish words like {cmacrnintegrale} and {dinjnintegrale}, CLL= 4.7, or the difference between the plant, the spice, the seed or some othe= r part of a particular genus).=C2=A0

Additionally, I do like the phonetic variation of different kind= of words in lojban, from the simple klama to the crunchy sound of the cons= onant cluster in stage-3. Also I think stage-4 should almost ONLY be introd= uced "wher= e a fu'ivla has become so common or so important that it must be made a= s short as possible" (CLL 4.7).

By the way, there have been a lot of = discussions of glossary on the mailing list, but these discussions far from= always result in words added in jbovlaste. Why?

mu'omi'e jongausib

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18 feb 2013 kl. 11:48 skrev Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>:
<= br>

<= div>The "=C3=A8mbrice" is a very specific shingle, the common Ita= lian word is "t=C3=A8gola" (with letters=C2=A0pronounced as in l= ojban) from the latin "t=C3=A8gula" from "t=C3=A8gere"= =3Dto cover.

In Italian the sound for that 'c' is t=CD=A1=CA=83=C2=A0 (/tS/ in X= -SAMPA) rather than k (/k/). Same goes for Latin since in Italy the Latin w= ords are pronounced according to the ecclesiastic Latin rather than the cla= ssical Latin.

I would go with the fu'ivla {embritce} (rembembering that the= stress is on the {ibu} ) only for that very specific type of shingle and w= ould resort to a lujvo (probably {rudyta'o} with gloss "x1=3Dt1 is= a shingle/tile covering the roof of x2=3Dr2 made of x3=3Dt2") for the= generic concept.

mi'e mu'o la .remod.

On Monday, February 18, 2013, Pierre Abbat wro= te:

I'm thinking of "= ;imbrike" for "roof tile, shingle, or scale" (x1 is a
tile/shingle/scale covering x2, ovelapping in direction x3). Is this concep= t
useful enough in composition that it could have been made a gismu, had anyo= ne
thought of it back then? Should it be "imbrike" or "imbrice&= quot;? Or "embrice"
(which is how it's spelled in modern Italian)?

Pierre
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