Received: from mail-wg0-f62.google.com ([74.125.82.62]:58033) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U89pQ-0007a3-Ec; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:35:37 -0800 Received: by mail-wg0-f62.google.com with SMTP id dr1sf2499014wgb.27 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:35:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:date:from :to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :user-agent:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=ZmyKo1vSvY1vhnVx8CHRuPBF96Qrnx1H6x4aPhO0GlA=; b=C3xF8bBteDmcbgg/KGeZTwKGLcuTPb25m4XG1pEVfwy4FqgNG76qoke1GwWBC35f/G kCwviu4oPuCqaOueMDgEzscqPIuy5jZGMlFH25NEHvCCR1e+5JdiAztAjsRfmv2g4Gur xyTtkPCfgm9EzuAM70gddIbcTaOZqtoebRMZvsFhHdc3VfKJKnuaMUS731g8VUhWrzgO b6DtGYFX4+rvnFB6hA5kQecS67WgZs2eVXLrkih7mXgnBek2nACk4hHxHF7Z1YP3AJW+ 6ry8wNMOikemJ07A+MC2rxh3GDHQ1Gz5jMmVd3IZUhYuA50BnKRCSebCDRXsU+z0i9pX nyGA== X-Received: by 10.180.84.195 with SMTP id b3mr2049652wiz.13.1361367312206; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:35:12 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.19.226 with SMTP id i2ls1275952wie.34.gmail; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:35:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.177.72 with SMTP id c48mr21211443eem.5.1361367308684; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:35:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.177.72 with SMTP id c48mr21211441eem.5.1361367308675; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 47si5750172eeh.1.2013.02.20.05.35.08 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbc0581.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.5.129]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DD6C9860AF1 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:35:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:35:07 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] {le} and {lo} ... and Keith Donnellan? Message-ID: <20130220133507.GB3918@samsa.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline coi lo mriste This is just a short question and I don't want to discuss the whole topic right now, because we'll probably have that discussion in 1-2 month with some more detailed texts/research to talk about. I will write a term paper on that topic. The question is: Is there or isn't there a direct ba'e historical connection between Keith Donnellan's paper "Reference and Definite Descriptions" and the current usage of {le} and {lo}? mi'e la .van. mu'o --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEk0QsACgkQMBKLZs4+wjyUUACgg57bTYy8m/JteyBFFZTDm2F8 PoMAnA80B9rQRZ01wwGuZEjK8VuwXBFO =FGJi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm--