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Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} and {lo} ... and Keith Donnellan?
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Probably not.=A0 I don't think Keith had any knowledge of Loglan (though I =
could be wrong -- I wasn't as involved back then) in which {le} already had=
 (implicitly, at least) the value as a purely denotative description.=A0 La=
ter developments of {le} and especially {lo} seem to have been independent =
of his work until it was brought in with the most recent synthesis.=A0 Evid=
ence to the contrary would be very interesting.




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 From: v4hn <me@v4hn.de>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:35 AM
Subject: [lojban] {le} and {lo} ... and Keith Donnellan?
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coi lo mriste

This is just a short question and I don't want to discuss
the whole topic right now, because we'll probably
have that discussion in 1-2 month with some more detailed
texts/research to talk about. I will write a term paper
on that topic.

The question is: Is there or isn't there a direct ba'e historical
connection between Keith Donnellan's paper "Reference and Definite
Descriptions" and the current usage of {le} and {lo}?


mi'e la .van. mu'o

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Probably not.&nbsp; I=
 don't think Keith had any knowledge of Loglan (though I could be wrong -- =
I wasn't as involved back then) in which {le} already had (implicitly, at l=
east) the value as a purely denotative description.&nbsp; Later development=
s of {le} and especially {lo} seem to have been independent of his work unt=
il it was brought in with the most recent synthesis.&nbsp; Evidence to the =
contrary would be very interesting.<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br=
></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif=
; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, =
times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" siz=
e=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span>=
</b> v4hn &lt;me@v4hn.de&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:<=
/span></b>
 lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</=
span></b> Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:35 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-w=
eight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [lojban] {le} and {lo} ... and Keith Donn=
ellan?<br> </font> </div> <br>
coi lo mriste<br><br>This is just a short question and I don't want to disc=
uss<br>the whole topic right now, because we'll probably<br>have that discu=
ssion in 1-2 month with some more detailed<br>texts/research to talk about.=
 I will write a term paper<br>on that topic.<br><br>The question is: Is the=
re or isn't there a direct ba'e historical<br>connection between Keith Donn=
ellan's paper "Reference and Definite<br>Descriptions" and the current usag=
e of {le} and {lo}?<br><br><br>mi'e la .van. mu'o<br><br><br> </div> </div>=
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