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I had considered making my own version of L4B to take care of some things 
that, personally, put me off.
There were a couple of Excercises that were "gotchas" and you don't want 
those in learning material for beginners
(Mistranslating taipei under the auspices of "a b sounds like a p in the 
local orthography" is a terrible excuse and it made it sound like Robin was 
showing off)

Of course, by reading this board for several months I know it wasn't 
intentional.

Some other recommendations:

1) Try not to emphasize the concept of malglico so much. You *have* to 
explain lojban in English terms in order to teach it to an English 
audience, so translating ninmu to x1 is a woman and scolding the learner 
for assuming it means an adult isn't right (by the way, we have a word for 
ninmu, its called female).

2) Find ways to explain the concepts without resorting to "If you're a 
Mathematician, computer programmer, or a logician, its like these things."

3) Concepts and words related to language studies are confusing, please 
give some kind of definition for these concepts.

On Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:09:44 AM UTC-6, la gleki wrote:
>
> I made a preliminary import 
> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/L4B_2.0
>
> Some formatting was lost.
>
> Anyway, what do you think, should we start updating it to reflect the 
> latest improvements to the grammar and the way lojban should be taught?
>

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I had considered making my own version of L4B to take care of some things t=
hat, personally, put me off.<div>There were a couple of Excercises that wer=
e "gotchas" and you don't want those in learning material for beginners</di=
v><div>(Mistranslating taipei under the auspices of "a b sounds like a p in=
 the local orthography" is a terrible excuse and it made it sound like Robi=
n was showing off)</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, by reading this boar=
d for several months I know it wasn't intentional.</div><div><br></div><div=
>Some other recommendations:</div><div><br></div><div>1) Try not to emphasi=
ze the concept of malglico so much. You <i>have</i>&nbsp;to explain lojban =
in English terms in order to teach it to an English audience, so translatin=
g ninmu to x1 is a woman and scolding the learner for assuming it means an =
adult isn't right (by the way, we have a word for ninmu, its called female)=
.<br><br></div><div>2) Find ways to explain the concepts without resorting =
to "If you're a Mathematician, computer programmer, or a logician, its like=
 these things."</div><div><br></div><div>3) Concepts and words related to l=
anguage studies are confusing, please give some kind of definition for thes=
e concepts.</div><div><br>On Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:09:44 AM UTC-6, =
la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-=
left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">I made a prelim=
inary import&nbsp;<div><a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/L4B_2.0" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://mw.lojban.org/index.<wbr>php/L4B_2.0</a><br></div><=
div><br></div><div>Some formatting was lost.</div><div><br></div><div>Anywa=
y, what do you think, should we start updating it to reflect the latest imp=
rovements to the grammar and the way lojban should be taught?</div></blockq=
uote></div>

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