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On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Adam Chevalier <chevalieradam2@gmail.com>wrote:

> I had considered making my own version of L4B to take care of some things
> that, personally, put me off.
> There were a couple of Excercises that were "gotchas" and you don't want
> those in learning material for beginners
> (Mistranslating taipei under the auspices of "a b sounds like a p in the
> local orthography" is a terrible excuse and it made it sound like Robin was
> showing off)
>
> Of course, by reading this board for several months I know it wasn't
> intentional.
>
> Some other recommendations:
>
> 1) Try not to emphasize the concept of malglico so much. You *have* to
> explain lojban in English terms in order to teach it to an English
> audience, so translating ninmu to x1 is a woman and scolding the learner
> for assuming it means an adult isn't right (by the way, we have a word for
> ninmu, its called female).
>
> 2) Find ways to explain the concepts without resorting to "If you're a
> Mathematician, computer programmer, or a logician, its like these things."
>
> 3) Concepts and words related to language studies are confusing, please
> give some kind of definition for these concepts.
>

Can you give an example or two of such concepts and words?

stevo

>
> On Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:09:44 AM UTC-6, la gleki wrote:
>>
>> I made a preliminary import
>> http://mw.lojban.org/index.**php/L4B_2.0<http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/L4B_2.0>
>>
>> Some formatting was lost.
>>
>> Anyway, what do you think, should we start updating it to reflect the
>> latest improvements to the grammar and the way lojban should be taught?
>>
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Adam Ch=
evalier <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chevalieradam2@gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">chevalieradam2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">

I had considered making my own version of L4B to take care of some things t=
hat, personally, put me off.<div>There were a couple of Excercises that wer=
e &quot;gotchas&quot; and you don&#39;t want those in learning material for=
 beginners</div>

<div>(Mistranslating taipei under the auspices of &quot;a b sounds like a p=
 in the local orthography&quot; is a terrible excuse and it made it sound l=
ike Robin was showing off)</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, by reading t=
his board for several months I know it wasn&#39;t intentional.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Some other recommendations:</div><div><br></div><div>1)=
 Try not to emphasize the concept of malglico so much. You <i>have</i>=A0to=
 explain lojban in English terms in order to teach it to an English audienc=
e, so translating ninmu to x1 is a woman and scolding the learner for assum=
ing it means an adult isn&#39;t right (by the way, we have a word for ninmu=
, its called female).<br>

<br></div><div>2) Find ways to explain the concepts without resorting to &q=
uot;If you&#39;re a Mathematician, computer programmer, or a logician, its =
like these things.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>3) Concepts and words rel=
ated to language studies are confusing, please give some kind of definition=
 for these concepts.</div>

</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can you give an example or two of such con=
cepts and words?=A0</div><div><br></div><div>stevo=A0</div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div><br>On Thursday, February 21, =
2013 9:09:44 AM UTC-6, la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">
I made a preliminary import=A0<div>
<a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/L4B_2.0" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/mw.lojban.org/index.<u></u>php/L4B_2.0</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>So=
me formatting was lost.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, what do you think,=
 should we start updating it to reflect the latest improvements to the gram=
mar and the way lojban should be taught?</div>

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