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On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
> These are impossible to make, due to the lack of a selbri meaning "x1 is in
> all the ce'u-places of function x2". So I decided today, in IRC, to make
> that selbri. This is the documentation of my quest.

Wouldn't "x1 is in the two ce'u-places of function x2" be more useful,
for lujvo making purposes?

> With this selbri, it is now possible to create compositional self-reflexive
> lujvo:
> {.i mi cinba zei sevzike} = {.i mi sevzike lo ka ce'u ce'u cinba} = {.i mi
> mi cinba}.

Compositional up to a point, meaning "x1 kisses themself at locus x2",
right? We know it's not "mi sevzike lo ka ce'u ce'u ce'u cinba"
because of the semantics of "cinba". And if we wanted to create a
lujvo meaning "x1 is self-serving in action x2", would "selfu zei
sevzike" work, for similar reasons?

I find it hard to find an example where we would want a function with
other than 2 places in the x2 of sevzike to make a useful lujvo.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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