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On Monday, February 25, 2013 09:40:01 Adam Chevalier wrote:
> That isn't my point. taibei, as a lojbanized name, isn't how its pronounc=
ed
> locally or in English.
> If there intention was to teach that lesson, important as it is, they
> should have used a proper example.

There are two things going on with that name:
1. Mandarin distinguishes aspirated and unaspirated stops; Lojban=20
distinguishes voiceless and voiced stops. To preserve the Mandarin=20
distinction, we should map the unaspirated /p/ to <b>, as Pinyin does.
2. Being a proper name, it should end in a consonant in Lojban. In Chinese,=
=20
this consonant should come from Middle Chinese, if there was any, as the=20
consonant affected the tone, of which there are none in Lojban. This conson=
ant=20
was /k/, and is still pronounced in Min Nan, which is spoken in Taiwan and=
=20
coastal areas of China. Thus the Lojbanized name should be "taibeik" or=20
"taibak" (or both).

I think this is too complicated to explain to beginners and another example=
=20
should be used instead.

Pierre
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