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Adam Chevalier wrote:
> My brain must have hiccuped, I meant fu'ivla.
>
> I'm just trying to provide constructive feedback for la gleki.
> They are one of a very few people that seem to have the time/drive/both
> to do work on Lojban right now and I wanted to help steer the work in
> the right direction.
>
> Something I've noticed on this board is a strong rejection of any kind
> of change.
> Almost comes across as "Lojban is perfect! Everything that the LLG has
> done is absolutely fine! We don't need to improve on our methods!"
>
> I felt that I could offer a helpful point of view as a beginner.
> If you want to improve your product, ask the customers.
> (obvious caveats about customers not knowing what they want/need of course).


Lojban is not perfect.

For one thing, there is no such thing as a perfect language.

Not everything that LLG has done is perfect, nor necessarily even 
"excellent", though the stuff that most people see, like LFB, have been 
reviewed so often by so many people, that the presumption should be that 
it is the best that we can do AT THIS TIME with our limited resources.



The tradeoff is always between writing something new starting from 
scratch, vs continually trying to fiddle with what has been done in 
search of "improvement".  My experience has been that the latter seems 
easier to many people but if the changes are made by someone other than 
the original author, the "improvement" may not actually be better.

If we need to improve upon our methods then the improver should start 
anew, rather then presuming that they fully understand that which they 
are trying to improve.

I like to see suggestions, but I much prefer do-ers to suggest-ers, 
because we have such a shortage of the former.

We do get lots of feedback from our "customers", but for the most part, 
they usually give that feedback when they are still so new to the 
language that it takes too long to explain why their suggestions are not 
optimal (even if they reflect what they want/need), so people tend to 
brush off the remarks in ways that you may find offensive.  It takes 
time and energy to do public relations well, and none of us are 
professionals in that realm.

The problem is that we are all volunteers, working out of love for the 
project and/or the community.  While a limited amount of money is 
generated, it isn't enough to pay anyone, or even to reimburse all of 
their expenses, so we rarely focus on the priorities of traditional 
business entities, such as "pleasing the customer".  We don't even have 
enough time to please ourselves, which should be an easier job.

lojbab

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