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Pierre Abbat, On 26/02/2013 01:39:
> On Monday, February 25, 2013 09:40:01 Adam Chevalier wrote:
>> That isn't my point. taibei, as a lojbanized name, isn't how its pronoun=
ced
>> locally or in English.
>> If there intention was to teach that lesson, important as it is, they
>> should have used a proper example.
>
> There are two things going on with that name:
> 1. Mandarin distinguishes aspirated and unaspirated stops; Lojban
> distinguishes voiceless and voiced stops. To preserve the Mandarin
> distinction, we should map the unaspirated /p/ to<b>, as Pinyin does.

I remember that when I met Nick Nicholas and he spoke Lojban to me, he didn=
't aspirate his Lojban /p,t,k/, and because the great majority of English a=
ccents nowadays aspirate /p,t,k/ (in syllable onsets), I couldn't help hear=
ing them as /b,d,g/ and so mishearing what he was saying. Probably if I'd b=
een more accustomed to hearing that accent of Lojban I'd have heard through=
 it and not noticed the phonetics.

FWIW I doubt that most Lojban speakers do base the /p,t,k:b,d,g/ opposition=
 on voicing rather than aspiration; for those whose native accents don't do=
 it, it requires too much phonetic sophistication. Nick could do it because=
 he was bilingual in Greek, and used Greek phonetics for the Lojban stops.

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