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On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:20:36 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 25, 2013 9:50:21 PM UTC+4, la klaku wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback. I've made some changes, which will be included 
>> the next time I update the lessons. If you find any mistakes in the text, 
>> you're welcome to change it directly.
>>
>
> How long are we supposed to wait for the changes? (sorry i really don't 
> know the algorithm of updating the lessons. I just note that people are 
> complaining) 
>


issue #3. Lesson 27. "ro da bu'a la .bab. = "Considering all X which 
exists: X is in at least one relationship with Bob" = "Everything is 
related to Bob in at least one way.". Notice again the order matters: bu'a 
ro da zo'u da bu'a Bob means: "There is at least one relationship such that 
everything that exists is in that relationship with Bob". The first 
statement is true - for any one thing, one can indeed make up some selbri 
which relates any guy called Bob and it. But I'm not sure the latter is 
true - that one can make a selbri which can relate anything, no matter what 
it is, and Bob."

Definitely "bu'a ro da zo'u da bu'a Bob" is not correct lojban at all. How 
it should sound like?


>> Regarding the abstractions si'o, nu and ka, I think they are too advanced 
>> to be taught early on. The semantics of them is discussed in lesson 29. 
>> I've added a line explaining that: "The meanings of these is a complicated 
>> matter, and will be discussed much later, in lesson twenty-nine. For now, 
>> you'll have to do without them."
>>
>> In the wave lessons, I've chosen to present tenses simply as sumtcita, 
>> even though the grammar for PU is different than for BAI. In the beginning 
>> of lesson 10, it says: "No, in the Lojban tense system, all tenses are 
>> sumtcita, which we have conveniently just made ourselves familiar with. 
>> Okay okay, technically, tenses are slightly different from other sumtcita, 
>> but this difference is almost insignificant, and will be won't be explained 
>> until later."
>>
>> I've added a sentence: "In most aspects they are like all other sumtcita; 
>> they are terminated bu ''ku'', for example.", making it explicit that PU is 
>> terminated by ku.
>>
>> mi'e la klaku
>>
>

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<br><br>On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:20:36 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>On Monday, February 25, 20=
13 9:50:21 PM UTC+4, la klaku wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>Thanks for the feedback. I've made some changes, which will be included th=
e next time I update the lessons. If you find any mistakes in the text, you=
're welcome to change it directly.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>How =
long are we supposed to wait for the changes? (sorry i really don't know th=
e algorithm of updating the lessons. I just note that people are complainin=
g)&nbsp;</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>issue #3. Les=
son 27. "ro da bu'a la .bab. =3D "Considering all X which exists: X is in a=
t least one relationship with Bob" =3D "Everything is related to Bob in at =
least one way.". Notice again the order matters: bu'a ro da zo'u da bu'a Bo=
b means: "There is at least one relationship such that everything that exis=
ts is in that relationship with Bob". The first statement is true - for any=
 one thing, one can indeed make up some selbri which relates any guy called=
 Bob and it. But I'm not sure the latter is true - that one can make a selb=
ri which can relate anything, no matter what it is, and Bob."<br><br>Defini=
tely "bu'a ro da zo'u da bu'a Bob" is not correct lojban at all. How it sho=
uld sound like?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: =
1ex;"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>Regarding the abstraction=
s si'o, nu and ka, I think they are too advanced to be taught early on. The=
 semantics of them is discussed in lesson 29. I've added a line explaining =
that: "The meanings of these is a complicated matter, and will be discussed=
 much later, in lesson twenty-nine. For now, you'll have to do without them=
."<br><br>In the wave lessons, I've chosen to present tenses simply as sumt=
cita, even though the grammar for PU is different than for BAI. In the begi=
nning of lesson 10, it says: "No, in the Lojban tense system, all tenses ar=
e sumtcita, which we have conveniently just made ourselves familiar with. O=
kay okay, technically, tenses are slightly different from other sumtcita, b=
ut this difference is almost insignificant, and will be won't be explained =
until later."<br><br>I've added a sentence: "In most aspects they are like =
all other sumtcita; they are terminated bu ''ku'', for example.", making it=
 explicit that PU is terminated by ku.<br><br>mi'e la klaku<br></blockquote=
></blockquote>

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