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On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:20, la gleki wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:20:36 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Monday, February 25, 2013 9:50:21 PM UTC+4, la klaku wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. I've made some changes, which will be included t= he next time I update the lessons. If you find any mistakes in the text, yo= u're welcome to change it directly. >=20 > How long are we supposed to wait for the changes? (sorry i really don't k= now the algorithm of updating the lessons. I just note that people are comp= laining)=20 >=20 >=20 > issue #3. Lesson 27. "ro da bu'a la .bab. =3D "Considering all X which ex= ists: X is in at least one relationship with Bob" =3D "Everything is relate= d to Bob in at least one way.". Notice again the order matters: bu'a ro da = zo'u da bu'a Bob means: "There is at least one relationship such that every= thing that exists is in that relationship with Bob". The first statement is= true - for any one thing, one can indeed make up some selbri which relates= any guy called Bob and it. But I'm not sure the latter is true - that one = can make a selbri which can relate anything, no matter what it is, and Bob.= " >=20 > Definitely "bu'a ro da zo'u da bu'a Bob" is not correct lojban at all. Ho= w it should sound like? >=20 >=20 > Regarding the abstractions si'o, nu and ka, I think they are too advanced= to be taught early on. The semantics of them is discussed in lesson 29. I'= ve added a line explaining that: "The meanings of these is a complicated ma= tter, and will be discussed much later, in lesson twenty-nine. For now, you= 'll have to do without them." >=20 > In the wave lessons, I've chosen to present tenses simply as sumtcita, ev= en though the grammar for PU is different than for BAI. In the beginning of= lesson 10, it says: "No, in the Lojban tense system, all tenses are sumtci= ta, which we have conveniently just made ourselves familiar with. Okay okay= , technically, tenses are slightly different from other sumtcita, but this = difference is almost insignificant, and will be won't be explained until la= ter." >=20 > I've added a sentence: "In most aspects they are like all other sumtcita;= they are terminated bu ''ku'', for example.", making it explicit that PU i= s terminated by ku. >=20 > mi'e la klaku > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > =20 > =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Add {su'o} before {bu'a} in the prenex= .

On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:20, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:



On Tuesday, February 26, 20= 13 2:20:36 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:


On Monday, February 25, 2013 9:50:21 PM UTC+4, la klaku wrote= :
Thanks for the feedback. I've made= some changes, which will be included the next time I update the lessons. I= f you find any mistakes in the text, you're welcome to change it directly.<= br>

How long are we supposed to wait for th= e changes? (sorry i really don't know the algorithm of updating the lessons= . I just note that people are complaining) 

issue #3. Lesson 27. "ro da bu'a la .bab. =3D "C= onsidering all X which exists: X is in at least one relationship with Bob" = =3D "Everything is related to Bob in at least one way.". Notice again the o= rder matters: bu'a ro da zo'u da bu'a Bob means: "There is at least one rel= ationship such that everything that exists is in that relationship with Bob= ". The first statement is true - for any one thing, one can indeed make up = some selbri which relates any guy called Bob and it. But I'm not sure the l= atter is true - that one can make a selbri which can relate anything, no ma= tter what it is, and Bob."

Definitely "bu'a ro da zo'u da bu'a Bob" = is not correct lojban at all. How it should sound like?


Regarding the abstractions si'o, nu and ka, I think they are= too advanced to be taught early on. The semantics of them is discussed in = lesson 29. I've added a line explaining that: "The meanings of these is a c= omplicated matter, and will be discussed much later, in lesson twenty-nine.= For now, you'll have to do without them."

In the wave lessons, I've= chosen to present tenses simply as sumtcita, even though the grammar for P= U is different than for BAI. In the beginning of lesson 10, it says: "No, i= n the Lojban tense system, all tenses are sumtcita, which we have convenien= tly just made ourselves familiar with. Okay okay, technically, tenses are s= lightly different from other sumtcita, but this difference is almost insign= ificant, and will be won't be explained until later."

I've added a s= entence: "In most aspects they are like all other sumtcita; they are termin= ated bu ''ku'', for example.", making it explicit that PU is terminated by = ku.

mi'e la klaku

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