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On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> I think we should drop the direction place of "mitre" and the subunit
> places.
> I have no idea what to put in a subunit place,


I'm pretty sure it's there to be an identifier: {gutci fo la.intc.} (feet)
vs. {gutci fo lo degji} (cubit).

It's seems a circumspect way to do so to me, though, and I'm just guessing.

If that is indeed the intention, I agree that that place is pointless and
should be dropped, possibly replacing it with a me'e place. (In the x2,
pushing the rest one down?)


> and the direction place could be expressed with a preposition if
> appropriate.  "gucti" has just as much reason to have a direction place as
> "mitre" does, but "caltre" has none, even though by jvojva it has to have
> one if "mitre" does.
>

Well, sure, I see your argument. I don't disagree. I said minimal, for
reasons of past-usage breaking, whereas as what you're suggesting, I would
call "optimal".


>  > 1) Take the whole of the gismu, possibly including the experimental
> ones,
> > and group them into families. Species {badna}, Transportation {klama},
> Mode
> > of Travel {cadzu}, Measurement {mitre}, and Comparatives {barda} are a
> few
> > families I can think of off the top of my head. Species might need to be
> > split into the kingdoms (animal, plant, etc.) just because of size.
>
> There's no big problem with species. There are a few species words with a
> third place (tirxu, mledi, lanme, mlafi'e) and one missing x2 (remna),
> which
> should have it, as paleontologist talk about several species of Homo.
>

I was referring to the grouping, not the consistency, in this. Obviously
the size of a gismu family isn't really relevant to the consistency issue.

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Pierre Abbat <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">p=
hma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">

</div>I think we should drop the direction place of &quot;mitre&quot; and t=
he subunit places.<br>
I have no idea what to put in a subunit place, </blockquote><div><br>I&#39;=
m pretty sure it&#39;s there to be an identifier: {gutci fo la.intc.} (feet=
) vs. {gutci fo lo degji} (cubit).<br><br>It&#39;s seems a circumspect way =
to do so to me, though, and I&#39;m just guessing.<br>
<br>If that is indeed the intention, I agree that that place is pointless a=
nd should be dropped, possibly replacing it with a me&#39;e place. (In the =
x2, pushing the rest one down?)<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
and the direction place could be expressed with a preposition if appropriat=
e. =A0&quot;gucti&quot; has just as much reason to have a direction place a=
s &quot;mitre&quot; does, but &quot;caltre&quot; has none, even though by j=
vojva it has to have one if &quot;mitre&quot; does.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Well, sure, I see your argument. I don&#39;t disagree=
. I said minimal, for reasons of past-usage breaking, whereas as what you&#=
39;re suggesting, I would call &quot;optimal&quot;.<br>=A0</div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">
&gt; 1) Take the whole of the gismu, possibly including the experimental on=
es,<br>
&gt; and group them into families. Species {badna}, Transportation {klama},=
 Mode<br>
&gt; of Travel {cadzu}, Measurement {mitre}, and Comparatives {barda} are a=
 few<br>
&gt; families I can think of off the top of my head. Species might need to =
be<br>
&gt; split into the kingdoms (animal, plant, etc.) just because of size.<br=
>
<br>
</div>There&#39;s no big problem with species. There are a few species word=
s with a<br>
third place (tirxu, mledi, lanme, mlafi&#39;e) and one missing x2 (remna), =
which<br>
should have it, as paleontologist talk about several species of Homo.<br></=
blockquote><div><br>I was referring to the grouping, not the consistency, i=
n this. Obviously the size of a gismu family isn&#39;t really relevant to t=
he consistency issue.<br clear=3D"all">
</div></div><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko c=
mima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the =
Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>

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