Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:62659) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UElnx-0005T2-T2; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:21:24 -0700 Received: by mail-gh0-f189.google.com with SMTP id g10sf1475691ghb.16 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:21:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=cCBweiD7wXkCrb6gJHTv11/usHxUU/ehvO+82X9bSd8=; b=vg/epojGnMTRbm2sb+GgwA7lZCUSqRUD/UuahKZFCNt+JN3jK/aR6z5IIGFjxwMuIE icTvxLaGSQNrC1/JUCDaZgITqkLhrBS2p84+5uIcddwua+EARFDTt1eh5OnusAsNnWU5 Dis2JavYSM54mQys7oUeg8FbGjACh6x9d8MeDYBPmx3k+hXJP9crFi47EGIu9pfVv66l 07mbMn8vpxkttEv+yRPkeL5rBJZ/h6xaHZRblPXJXITVHR9Olu9rEhfVYnknzDY32Yau w14ZAuiCebInn3gZEXsSfeQYwMqpFgivqlpU6a2s9q8zJK1bRTzdw78t5Mz8QvqT9Jrd T2XQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=cCBweiD7wXkCrb6gJHTv11/usHxUU/ehvO+82X9bSd8=; b=PymEzfijo6XKtAee/XZJ4n5YTJ2K1wb1cCPv00s4hDgzvwGnRpUlrY4GtWfD0g5bqC HTBF26VhN++n0JstplarH0ImJ1qWvybmpDkzhdwn2iVjiBryG9nZhzu5E+4caR7p4NNE jz2IuINzRNtDty1rFX7sPi69WW9tHg35AhdsIL2s5gIhYvnFa2P/YoCFuthLiEAiqqWS uT7RoNtbiac5Z4DHcC76xS3kSH5DYQ+O0V4DZayW0xg6ffAc7ObczlGQUoqDOa/CvOxS uqwL7FoQpJRcHSfxXePky0fybFmS91WSJoUjeEuxvsy1RFllHdFCJuWJsk08KDtPiPgV r3xA== X-Received: by 10.49.24.13 with SMTP id q13mr613119qef.33.1362943263214; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:21:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.0.132 with SMTP id 4ls696690qee.56.gmail; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.88.7 with SMTP id bc7mr3054021veb.40.1362943261783; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-x235.google.com (mail-vb0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c02::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cr9si842439vdb.2.2013.03.10.12.21.01 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c02::235; Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fj18so1334375vbb.12 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.45.71 with SMTP id k7mr3954548vem.0.1362943261656; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:21:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.1.38 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:20:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130310184951.GH18336@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> From: Luke Bergen Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:20:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: fixing past actions. To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013cc328f6015d04d796f406 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e013cc328f6015d04d796f406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Errr, I guess that'd have to be "vrude se zukte" or "vrude se gasnu" since vrude1 is an actor/entity, not the action that is/not virtuous. On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > mmm "lo nu do xruti kei na rinka lo nu pu lebna kei vrude"? > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > >> >> I don't often get totally stumped when speaking to the babies these >> days, but I found myself wanting to say: >> >> "the fact that you put it back doesn't change/fix/erase that you >> took it in the first place" >> >> and I just have no idea how to even start. >> >> (This, by the way, is an example of why I refuse the label "fluent") >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e >> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e >> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni >> li'u >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --089e013cc328f6015d04d796f406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errr, I guess that'd have to be "vrude se zukte" or "vru= de se gasnu" since vrude1 is an actor/entity, not the action that is/n= ot virtuous.

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 3:18= PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
mmm "lo nu do xruti kei na rinka lo nu = pu lebna kei vrude"?


On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digi= talkingdom.org> wrote:

I don't often get totally stumped when speaking to the babies these
days, but I found myself wanting to say:

"the fact that you put it back doesn't change/fix/erase that you took it in the first place"

and I just have no idea how to even start.

(This, by the way, is an example of why I refuse the label "fluent&quo= t;)

-Robin

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http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u = .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e = lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mam= ta be do cu sofybakni li'u

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