Received: from mail-pb0-f60.google.com ([209.85.160.60]:59851) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UEn7b-0005ry-Ue; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:45:42 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f60.google.com with SMTP id um15sf1433367pbc.5 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:45:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=xcBmDD/Eq1Et6tut/gwv+wbpkWjLkdm2d3taz8PzhV4=; b=B0ge07NhMlySKTxFcmycHCMAvX29znYpJzWSePEnICojBu3bLj3Mo8VPBCPLobC4Rv foCgGSzyg+MB4vJ1/rMJjaiZ/5KDhDaBm7QqOzRNHwIPBvm/ccZiHwufi559rQmBs341 KjEDOUmpihZpBz9cjLXYkqZxf5g14ZR01bxRlRd9yjZP99swRraMuO4+U2LI9B7N6flK moXa6g8DMNTxRFArxi5I0RGTogRn8hWtZplQj9RFBBESFKY8nA8bKTUXBTAeDVgQJlra T7aA7bZVKFxZ+XrIImZc5nLx5V8JMOdu9UdOu0mzDmvBKduPNIkbLCV5Ruu/j8ldZCJE QNLw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=xcBmDD/Eq1Et6tut/gwv+wbpkWjLkdm2d3taz8PzhV4=; b=RfRSkeVXJl7TlNpVW5aHqsGjdPa2g4KdZe9DR9NFPlYl9Hnc/pPNTiI12/Gn4I1UV/ mAIPdxwWXhD/Plk2udJeQXeyF48Y3rrrsdw7zH2eX/inWqitX/q55M1MyyUpDBbsjas1 BDS2NQ8+7kUG8R68l3AQurZACraAYvqXwSaAH3I9twrcStLyac1NZjOu8q+5tMxSotIs GCoIn29h5tecwkDgydpIiN3pIKGB8Ww6TIYyYS6pHFc7FHj4oJfuRzBJByJWtJH1JqvC Ut95K47c2xI6vsnXfPAuM8SCJWsIQ9KB+Ixq4SnVE77G9oQWgeSVXOWeopUeVrXqvq4W ArHw== X-Received: by 10.49.3.129 with SMTP id c1mr611397qec.40.1362948319991; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:45:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.0.180 with SMTP id 20ls771184qef.68.gmail; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:45:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.74.170 with SMTP id u10mr3048742vev.2.1362948318486; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t20si855706vdf.0.2013.03.10.13.45.18 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.128.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.128.176; Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id cz10so2231576veb.7 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:45:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.27.17 with SMTP id p17mr3070240vdg.0.1362948318388; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.58.196.169 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:45:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1737897.dyDt4LYI0H@caracal> References: <20130310184846.GG18336@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <1737897.dyDt4LYI0H@caracal> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 20:45:18 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: "into", as in "into the toilet". From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.128.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 10 March 2013 19:30, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:48:46 Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> How do I say "please pee in the toilet" or "don't pee on the >> ground"? {fa'a} and {ne'i} both apply to the action of the main >> bridi, right? So {.e'o do pinca fa'a/ne'i/??? le vimstizu} means >> something rather a lot different (and, in fact, {pinca fa'a le >> vimstizu} is exactly the problem we had earlier today!). >> >> I don't remember how to fix this; help? > > I think you want "mo'ine'i", but "do pinca" is wrong. It should be "do > pincyvi'i" or "do vikmi". "do se pinca" is also true, but doesn't denote the > action. do zo'e mo'ine'i lo vimstizu cu pincyvi'i You pee something, such that "you pee something" is moving into the toilet. What does that mean? Is it your pee that's moving into the toilet, or is it you, or both, since the event includes both you & your pee? How to keep yourself out of the loo? Aim your pee properly: do zo'e pe mo'ine'i lo vimstizu cu pincyvi'i do zo'e pe mo'ine'i pincyvi'i Or simply: mo'ine'i pinca Something is a pee-moving-into. Command: mo'ine'i pinca ko Make yours a pee-moving-into! mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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