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Good points you have!

Certainly I'm at a much lower level of fluency than you are, Robin, but I r=
ecognize the struggle of learning and how time consuming it is.

You're not the only one with the ambition of raising children bau la lojban=
. I am myself going to be dad (for the second time) this autumn, and then I=
 will be the only person trying to speak lojban to him/her. I doubt I will =
succeed though.=20

Learning lojban at the same time as being a father of a 9 year old girl, wo=
rking, studying at the university, taking driver's license, is not an easy =
task. But still I'm trying (in my own pace). And I also agree with Robin th=
at more audio material would enhance learning.

Ok, I don't offer much help to you, Robin, since I am as stressed as you. I=
nstead I'm contributing to the community in more subtlier ways now and then=
 by adding valsi in jbovlaste. Right now my project is to add all genera of=
 plants as stage-3 fu'ivla (short rafsi). Maybe not the most important thin=
g to do, but something I do when I sometimes got some minutes over to spend=
.

/seb

Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone

12 mar 2013 kl. 00:16 skrev Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:

> tl;dr: jbopatfu is stressed; skip down to the bullet points to see
> how you can help.
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> For those of you who don't know: I'm raising twin daughters, and I
> am speaking Lojban to them almost exclusively (no-one else is).
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> In the course of raising the jbocifnu, recently I feel like there's
> this barrier between me and the next level of fluency, and the only
> thing I can think of to fix it is listening.
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> In particular: it's too fucknig hard for me to learn words.
> While it's not as easy as it was when I was a kid, I still can pick
> up words very easily in English, Lojban is *much* harder.
> The place structures only explains a small part of that.
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> The (comparatively) great effort involved in speaking Lojban and
> learning vocab is starting to upset me; I expected to be past that
> by now.
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> On top of that, my life has become *very* overwhelmingly busy; it's
> been hard lately to just be calm about life in general.
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> It's very easy for me to look at my life and go "What would give me
> a bunch more time?" and come back with "not speaking Lojban to my
> children", but I don't want to go that route.
>=20
> So, here's some things that might maybe help.  They're not
> especially reasonble, but quite frankly, I feel like the community
> owes me at this point.
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> 0.  Be *gentle*.  I need people to gently, softly cajole me an a
> lot of this stuff.  That means even though I asked you to bug me to
> do X, I'm usually going to say no.  Be nice about it.
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> 1.  I want to hear more of the language.  I think *listening* might
> help me level up.  Make or find voice recordings.  Make it very very
> easy for me by sending me simple links to MP3s (dropbox.com is good
> for hosting this sort of thing, by the way) of Lojban speaking that
> doesn't obviously suck; it doesn't have to be great, but it should
> be longer than 5 minutes, please.  Collecting a bunch of short bits
> together would be fine.
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> 2.  I've fallen out of the habit of being involved in Lojban stuff,
> and especially chat on a regular basis.  Come find me in #lojban and
> try to engage me in conversation.
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> 3.  Find me in #lojban and see if I'll voice chat.  If we do, be
> prepared for me to go at my own pace.  Constantly repeating is very
> tiring.
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> Feel free to make suggestions as to how you can help.
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> Thanks.
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> -Robin
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