Received: from mail-qa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.216.63]:49666) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UFLmZ-0002cY-W1; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:46:19 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id bv4sf1449966qab.28 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:46:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=QIRqU9cMCo7CeS6mQ8r5uSC+OPy3anidI3bcE0AIgpk=; b=TtGsgysv5hqWqo0GpJMx7d+MnLRat1mtIZcaCusFuezQHBhW2ffWkoxRv3ZNlEVYao aS3V1ZEjanTNI5AYeGKM7nrXAENqlpzeszZ7UtaQSSKdIFMwEQ3ssc/yf+1PWQrd9Tim xotD10JctdIzQQpNqTyb74j88sPMXWnd0FwdT12UnlRmo7jizic6cTsDk1Y98b9/pqsp zxPmt/QyZWzOdCYwqxr6UharSXeSU3WOcsCiWGgWegvGZBMs6FmAeoL4+1aAoutvjyMt K3oPnowW7eIBwjLdlCK8hBTKMKv1iq+awBiKfjDqAKj+BXHe46Z5QYUzUrbeZy/H80Cj 3q+g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=QIRqU9cMCo7CeS6mQ8r5uSC+OPy3anidI3bcE0AIgpk=; b=O6DxHlCxKBRR7hR3pf+mLcufcvwQIqoJ8uIDVjM6iOnfLZ781lNVL2xpczIfzV73bH fHGbNh9GPEGQbxECp0wqAQkDX6d0TWxX5/rB/MIykYJ5uZGfH/A7L6POy4QIeskhw6S4 yQNm1Wa6/Q2yrouhN8VyS6YQbwCwJdmgYUyMDUFCCO02AbHxrVN7G/mNadRTbevSMx20 TBA9Y+Y/h+iz2pyMF5RhhA4/nt91f2rC8AzjnMWtuO6znQJq9qsJDZ/AoziwSM7uTHHf vBzmrfyhPl2DLp724nxEyAkUT/5qsYx2IsWUUybIIS8Os38GZVhva+41cDUXJBKhHzhG oouw== X-Received: by 10.49.127.50 with SMTP id nd18mr731186qeb.6.1363081561346; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:46:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.13.8 with SMTP id d8ls1279061qec.58.gmail; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.118.37 with SMTP id kj5mr4322892veb.17.1363081559322; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-x230.google.com (mail-vb0-x230.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c02::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cr9si1243662vdb.2.2013.03.12.02.45.59 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c02::230; Received: by mail-vb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id fc21so2097372vbb.7 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.84.164 with SMTP id a4mr6468478vez.9.1363081559135; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:45:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.188.116 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:45:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130311231600.GV18336@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20130311231600.GV18336@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 05:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] jbopatfu needs help. To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6dbc2221de2e04d7b7288e X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b6dbc2221de2e04d7b7288e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > tl;dr: jbopatfu is stressed; skip down to the bullet points to see > how you can help. > > For those of you who don't know: I'm raising twin daughters, and I > am speaking Lojban to them almost exclusively (no-one else is). > > In the course of raising the jbocifnu, recently I feel like there's > this barrier between me and the next level of fluency, and the only > thing I can think of to fix it is listening. > > In particular: it's too fucknig hard for me to learn words. > While it's not as easy as it was when I was a kid, I still can pick > up words very easily in English, Lojban is *much* harder. > The place structures only explains a small part of that. > > The (comparatively) great effort involved in speaking Lojban and > learning vocab is starting to upset me; I expected to be past that > by now. > > On top of that, my life has become *very* overwhelmingly busy; it's > been hard lately to just be calm about life in general. > > It's very easy for me to look at my life and go "What would give me > a bunch more time?" and come back with "not speaking Lojban to my > children", but I don't want to go that route. > > So, here's some things that might maybe help. They're not > especially reasonble, but quite frankly, I feel like the community > owes me at this point. > > 0. Be *gentle*. I need people to gently, softly cajole me an a > lot of this stuff. That means even though I asked you to bug me to > do X, I'm usually going to say no. Be nice about it. > > 1. I want to hear more of the language. I think *listening* might > help me level up. Make or find voice recordings. Make it very very > easy for me by sending me simple links to MP3s (dropbox.com is good > for hosting this sort of thing, by the way) of Lojban speaking that > doesn't obviously suck; it doesn't have to be great, but it should > be longer than 5 minutes, please. Collecting a bunch of short bits > together would be fine. > > 2. I've fallen out of the habit of being involved in Lojban stuff, > and especially chat on a regular basis. Come find me in #lojban and > try to engage me in conversation. > > 3. Find me in #lojban and see if I'll voice chat. If we do, be > prepared for me to go at my own pace. Constantly repeating is very > tiring. > > Feel free to make suggestions as to how you can help. > Is there a text-to-speech program for Lojban? It would allow you to listen to stuff that is otherwise only in text form. stevo > > Thanks. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni > li'u > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Robin L= ee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
=
tl;dr: jbopatfu is stressed; skip down to the bullet points to see
how you can help.

For those of you who don't know: I'm raising twin daughters, and I<= br> am speaking Lojban to them almost exclusively (no-one else is).

In the course of raising the jbocifnu, recently I feel like there's
this barrier between me and the next level of fluency, and the only
thing I can think of to fix it is listening.

In particular: it's too fucknig hard for me to learn words.
While it's not as easy as it was when I was a kid, I still can pick
up words very easily in English, Lojban is *much* harder.
The place structures only explains a small part of that.

The (comparatively) great effort involved in speaking Lojban and
learning vocab is starting to upset me; I expected to be past that
by now.

On top of that, my life has become *very* overwhelmingly busy; it's
been hard lately to just be calm about life in general.

It's very easy for me to look at my life and go "What would give m= e
a bunch more time?" and come back with "not speaking Lojban to my=
children", but I don't want to go that route.

So, here's some things that might maybe help. =A0They're not
especially reasonble, but quite frankly, I feel like the community
owes me at this point.

0. =A0Be *gentle*. =A0I need people to gently, softly cajole me an a
lot of this stuff. =A0That means even though I asked you to bug me to
do X, I'm usually going to say no. =A0Be nice about it.

1. =A0I want to hear more of the language. =A0I think *listening* might
help me level up. =A0Make or find voice recordings. =A0Make it very very easy for me by sending me simple links to MP3s (dropbox.com is good
for hosting this sort of thing, by the way) of Lojban speaking that
doesn't obviously suck; it doesn't have to be great, but it should<= br> be longer than 5 minutes, please. =A0Collecting a bunch of short bits
together would be fine.

2. =A0I've fallen out of the habit of being involved in Lojban stuff, and especially chat on a regular basis. =A0Come find me in #lojban and
try to engage me in conversation.

3. =A0Find me in #lojban and see if I'll voice chat. =A0If we do, be prepared for me to go at my own pace. =A0Constantly repeating is very
tiring.

Feel free to make suggestions as to how you can help.
=
Is there a text-to-speech program for Lojban? It would allow= you to listen to stuff that is otherwise only in text form.=A0

stevo

Thanks.

-Robin

--
http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u = .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e = lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mam= ta be do cu sofybakni li'u

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