Received: from mail-lb0-f185.google.com ([209.85.217.185]:37821) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UFUV2-0006jr-5R; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:04:51 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f185.google.com with SMTP id n1sf99089lba.2 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:04:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ULL/7xT0iBx5OK+EsAlqETEyAFoplrT36ZEzxUh2kvc=; b=UmZ0Be3O4/ugEqxxT3ZJvp873Wc7kayqP2oq3sVeMgaqRGIKM46j7AC5D1b7SA3xZU A6E+w8KCWJv6YlgGZjnhicCwlUBM62aPis9tek1n7P/gGEiT6y/IUSb+6U1fmu+eJ3sV A5vsgUXBxOJOShb1M63te/BrnY9XLTykjxmvOl/Q0gG+iF2F0GPjqcGCMaEoKfwDnUrV DiNr2c2b5vgdOW27KVdmKdMbJQoZTh3/ued9y50A5nRGucxE90cCl260AcW5XV0B2bnq yyB99P5rH2DD9qjT22xOEezEKPNSNmKNdjY4mCfTjUuLk/TrAOxLblKeTppjHtgNqxK7 B5QA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ULL/7xT0iBx5OK+EsAlqETEyAFoplrT36ZEzxUh2kvc=; b=R2LNDBjVnLZHqKj/ePgu8uNVclgpysF1BBDcY1h8s43ygJGsHnpcXUbmN8optjP3FX 8FJKwyZPac/Qnq6nGqtN26wgDMhhxjsbkug4P+utI49T9u+kn4rQNpjG5bLH8n/33OEA 6M3cyCmI7ttIaRy9Vso2y/rIsduW4A9K+PRnTudVzYizqvWUWuSDtQzBIflhEfsHasx2 LVch1Vo4GuDXiyJnQHVFfWaPaitJADlpUJ0mbUhox8roabVsgglMuLxU51cPiOnZg1H0 TJW13mIeByYJALoj/2aKB/Fsra2vd3pUZ8deA7WRS0LdEtZBxHMKYM0D7U5KG20F+U2h oAag== X-Received: by 10.180.85.129 with SMTP id h1mr1580055wiz.5.1363115061873; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:04:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.91.35 with SMTP id cb3ls1125481wib.9.canary; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:04:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.205.116.197 with SMTP id fj5mr973822bkc.4.1363115060920; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u1si1717786bkv.1.2013.03.12.12.04.20 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.182; Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id gg6so268151lbb.27 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.43.198 with SMTP id y6mr6650834lbl.93.1363115060473; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.5.196 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <513F0C52.6020908@gmx.de> References: <20130311231600.GV18336@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <513F0C52.6020908@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:04:20 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] jbopatfu needs help. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52d4d31f7ba2504d7bef4ac X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec52d4d31f7ba2504d7bef4ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:06 AM, selpa'i wrote: > la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e > > 1. I want to hear more of the language. I think *listening* might >> help me level up. Make or find voice recordings. Make it very very >> easy for me by sending me simple links to MP3s (dropbox.com is good >> for hosting this sort of thing, by the way) of Lojban speaking that >> doesn't obviously suck; it doesn't have to be great, but it should >> be longer than 5 minutes, please. Collecting a bunch of short bits >> together would be fine. >> > > This is something everyone can do. Pick one of the texts on > www.lojban.org/tiki/Texts+In+**Lojbanand record it. It's not difficult, it does not take long. Yet, it h= elps > everyone a lot. > > Listening is the most fundamental part of language learning; How are we > supposed to get fluent speakers without the most essential ingredient =97 > extensive exposure to audio? > > Please help out. > > > 2. I've fallen out of the habit of being involved in Lojban stuff, >> and especially chat on a regular basis. Come find me in #lojban and >> try to engage me in conversation. >> > > This goes for everyone. Meet us in #lojban and practice. You don't learn = a > language just by thinking about learning it. > > > 3. Find me in #lojban and see if I'll voice chat. If we do, be >> prepared for me to go at my own pace. Constantly repeating is very >> tiring. >> > > We hang out on mumble now and then. It would be nice to have these voice > chats more often, but of course it's hard to arrange fixed dates. A good > strategy would be for more people to simply lurk on mumble to show > _presence_. It has to become a given that there are always people hanging > out on mumble, just like there are always people in #lojban. > What's the mumble info? > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban?hl=3Den > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out > . > > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:06 AM, selpa'i <sela= dwa@gmx.de> wrote:
la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e

1. =A0I want to hear more of the language. =A0I think *listening* might
help me level up. =A0Make or find voice recordings. =A0Make it very very easy for me by sending me simple links to MP3s (dropbox.com is good
for hosting this sort of thing, by the way) of Lojban speaking that
doesn't obviously suck; it doesn't have to be great, but it should<= br> be longer than 5 minutes, please. =A0Collecting a bunch of short bits
together would be fine.

This is something everyone can do. Pick one of the texts on www.lojban.org/ti= ki/Texts+In+Lojban and record it. It's not difficult, it doe= s not take long. Yet, it helps everyone a lot.

Listening is the most fundamental part of language learning; How are we sup= posed to get fluent speakers without the most essential ingredient =97 exte= nsive exposure to audio?

Please help out.


2. =A0I've fallen out of the habit of being involved in Lojban stuff, and especially chat on a regular basis. =A0Come find me in #lojban and
try to engage me in conversation.

This goes for everyone. Meet us in #lojban and practice. You don't lear= n a language just by thinking about learning it.


3. =A0Find me in #lojban and see if I'll voice chat. =A0If we do, be prepared for me to go at my own pace. =A0Constantly repeating is very
tiring.

We hang out on mumble now and then. It would be nice to have these voice ch= ats more often, but of course it's hard to arrange fixed dates. A good = strategy would be for more people to simply lurk on mumble to show _presenc= e_. It has to become a given that there are always people hanging out on mu= mble, just like there are always people in #lojban.

What's the mumble info?
=A0

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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