Received: from mail-ob0-f185.google.com ([209.85.214.185]:45267) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UHEWV-0007Fg-UB; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:25:38 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f185.google.com with SMTP id v19sf2037958obq.22 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:25:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=m2umsb7QXBPP/1jVMXwatIr/J0+RyiuM7Zt7GZuzH1k=; b=OtSbY1seLcI7gDvlmRgUVF12G6eX3vT3E76axQaQtlredRVlTdD5fYZfocmalYJDah E+GMuSPJ0O61nQ7ON1+/UPdGrZTdynGQYHIzyFGwqQHDbYS0pRs22vSUeOYPtvnOXJqR G7D+JbXTEDHVDIRiw11beOxxpSUuRy+DQRG5tSdNz3qllO9PNIOjIfjRdfFhTqrcKZi/ 1CH9iPkBIjkqLcmdk8wSiUMbKRZcxrlO6th07INnUdC1SM4zEaVw+Bu7Ln8hJhVBAajB tkhxEF6ZmczJWN1B35n0pQXTbhm8z94imvdln2f61Kk1XGJ4Jivzmy4u1NQEQH8qejVi NWYg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=m2umsb7QXBPP/1jVMXwatIr/J0+RyiuM7Zt7GZuzH1k=; b=BjuFsY7Ho7ecqSemd5xerTIohECp6DqjMB6eBirOYxl0lk6+5YbxDZRbhbGFL9uCFx BWwQcgBrhEDmEzX3KgoYbaQ1kCVGGMzyu//wsBYizqRSahDJE+1d3XRdbpXbm6OvoirM vaY9jOmGWDOAYDk49wQXQOdwlAuS+dJKDq9c+65U5MSQV6SdAMYKTWdo8pqhdHK9e7rr TMNqpv/SsV77AnPF2NnUzOlwzYk+aYited/+VeCK7xjPAe8aArMf+jOURIHOr4tWfgB8 tKH613bdIqZJ/yW1rfPnsBBdpvWIClVrrjmq8dmA+lhHTWUOhlST0IHDjWezHrp44BBT YQhQ== X-Received: by 10.50.214.36 with SMTP id nx4mr900668igc.6.1363530312507; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:25:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.219.130 with SMTP id po2ls655310igc.21.gmail; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:25:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.183.164 with SMTP id en4mr5202046igc.2.1363530311809; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x22d.google.com (mail-ie0-x22d.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex5si239352igc.1.2013.03.17.07.25.11 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d; Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 9so6074341iec.32 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:25:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.188.135 with SMTP id ga7mr4654498igc.58.1363530311656; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.244.136 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 07:25:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:25:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] sutra/masno by standard From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340b13de387e04d81fa3c6 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae9340b13de387e04d81fa3c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On the rare occasions I use "by standard places", they tend to be a ka that says what exactly the thing does. "Is slow in that it is going at 5 mph on the highway", that sort of thing. mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Betsemes wrote: > Of any concept I can think of, the concept of a standard to make a > distinction between fast and slow comes to my mind; so I've been > wondering whether or not I'm missing something about fast/slow > concepts or whether or not the concept of a standard is relevant to > these terms. Was human evolution fast or slow? Is the flight of a > peregrin falcon fast or slow? Is a car riding through a school zone > fast or slow? What if it's riding at 35mph through a school zone? What > if it's riding at 35mph on a highway? > > mu'o mi'e betsemes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --14dae9340b13de387e04d81fa3c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 On the rare occasions I use "by standard places", they tend to be a ka that says what exactly the thing does. "Is slow in that it is going at 5 mph on the highway", that sort of thing.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:
Of any concept I can think of, the concept of a standard to make a
distinction between fast and slow comes to my mind; so I've been
wondering whether or not I'm missing something about fast/slow
concepts or whether or not the concept of a standard is relevant to
these terms. Was human evolution fast or slow? Is the flight of a
peregrin falcon fast or slow? Is a car riding through a school zone
fast or slow? What if it's riding at 35mph through a school zone? What
if it's riding at 35mph on a highway?

mu'o mi'e betsemes

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