Received: from mail-ee0-f64.google.com ([74.125.83.64]:49996) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UHvtu-0004CG-0J; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:44:33 -0700 Received: by mail-ee0-f64.google.com with SMTP id c13sf226836eek.19 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:44:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=GePMHK3sCO+Xeek6plfSGJFOtc9vKHrFKR9kvJCTEl4=; b=rok+9PoP64Niz3r95BPTvS/kM6FLt13zvAJPKvJnFUv4e50fGfWA+wzfdvuRWF/rUi u39ok3c+A+QKp3SpZVOrU+mutmweXeeb1Kclr4rGdYerWzqPw5hFeaFZVhio0wVzw9Sn oH4S/D5YX8UneYYECtRykdZvXGlToqnlPhu03vdeYZDlaGGQY3hNNfIrFy21s4bWIfYj IYcy2vNev0m9oQr4QJLp08fp76MhfhxzNak6R3908A75HzrZbw0HecVFPPfjzy7OzAMR M09g01UV0LFI7idNh/RkYHGdlya1ihMPiOZL/v4pplwqgdKEqMPXgsVYo7ajmGW6dlWZ oZZA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=GePMHK3sCO+Xeek6plfSGJFOtc9vKHrFKR9kvJCTEl4=; b=LdBFnckdPObxjn6awxaZM4I3C3jfMr/JaBzf+Z4393BtZz7kGkIsXAWgX/qUfHf5EI I83QIUtxrtsMnVfpui60Q7Nxk3zurvDd09yZFBFCu5wxSqVoVnjuHh+LfYrLSySUtJ90 K1rJd6HEkTBOi6LSnct1W98gidcLocJAjpWqJJ725vlbpYNlnVFpBsdch8P8h2b+nfxG VYBagQ4nmntTG1OdZPs3AX17YZ2T1BREYXZSNWT9hOrXHzogg6rhxhaVaZdIsTMfPe7h 1J+psKiBWyAjrXGFvVaKxQELuTAZomNH3ttB4qaX08phe5j+LDKkCZSxCPXGeBm7KzaY 69tg== X-Received: by 10.180.39.210 with SMTP id r18mr111407wik.12.1363697054085; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.107.228 with SMTP id hf4ls905901wib.53.canary; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:44:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.86.34 with SMTP id m2mr604397wiz.5.1363697053388; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fs5si18819wib.1.2013.03.19.05.44.13 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.128.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.128.172; Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id cz11so325573veb.17 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:44:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.103.7 with SMTP id i7mr2343858vco.7.1363697052990; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:44:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.188.116 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:43:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2f6c0a02-6342-4695-95d9-c23fa9982f04@googlegroups.com> References: <2f6c0a02-6342-4695-95d9-c23fa9982f04@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:43:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] 4 independent "vocabularies" is the biggest problem of lojban. To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.128.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3438b46cc4f504d8467608 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b3438b46cc4f504d8467608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM, la gleki wrote: > I'm not discovering something new. It's rather a banality. And you can say > it's just a small note about lojban. A small note but a big problem imo. > > The biggest problem of this language is that it has not less than 4 > independent lists of words. > No, it's only part of the biggest problem with the language, which is lack of internal consistency. stevo > > Let's take {zgana} for example. > > gismu: zgana > short rafsi: zga > attitudinal: za'a > BAI-cmavo: ga'a > > In some cases there can be more than one short cmavo. > The result is that many people who wish to learn this awesome language > are stuck at the level of memorizing those independent, *phonologically underivable > from each other *sets of words. > It could have been done another way (see gua\spi) but it's a pity that > this is a drawback of the most complete and (still !) most popular loglang > on the planet. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM, la glek= i <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not discovering something new. It's rather a banality. And you = can say it's just a small note about lojban. A small note but a big pro= blem imo.

The biggest problem of this language is that it has = not less than 4 independent lists of words.

No, it's only part of the bigges= t problem with the language, which is lack of internal consistency.=A0

stevo=A0

Let's take {zgana} for example.

gismu: zgana
short rafsi: zga
attitudinal: za'= ;a
BAI-cmavo: ga'a

In some cases the= re can be more than one short cmavo.
The result is that many people who wish to learn this awesome language= =A0are stuck at the level of=A0memorizing=A0those=A0independent, phonol= ogically=A0underivable from each=A0other sets of words.
It co= uld have been done another way (see gua\spi) but it's a pity that this = is a drawback of the most complete and (still !) most popular loglang on th= e planet.

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