Received: from mail-gh0-f186.google.com ([209.85.160.186]:58135) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UIEeW-0005Ty-OC; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:45:54 -0700 Received: by mail-gh0-f186.google.com with SMTP id f18sf525641ghb.23 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:45:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:from:to:subject:date :message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=YiNcRyhwVvd/HvkrNIHYz4immobYtXmA1ijWJxQNRzI=; b=J42uf7xprNYKBTPxK/ES5dEIIaC4ZJoGZhcLv5s8diR7xf7AdrdiSddVhVG/2D2Is7 bm5Dj69IIO1OtakxfWabTmEJXgCx/8r5X5eQqaQtmaIDkaWIbe8nj58coym47rENV/ZC 2l4iNSoKf1ubUviUeKLC2U/kAxkmKAYC4uAlt/rG9NRnZFTXbgP/5+zKEyNjuWHr8okY uhkIDkX+zFxHxTxAHVzbZ3wZeR48ssaXrhEc8t/tgo2tz1CzikWK8MIaOohzoI5lvl6A mPlULH9I0FNtRP2BSGf0i1opKcHpE7SLVCTcUwkuaVRddQmWTVMKEoiKKzH2vXDUkBkr 83+A== X-Received: by 10.49.105.163 with SMTP id gn3mr477056qeb.13.1363769138538; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.103.129 with SMTP id fw1ls503228qeb.43.gmail; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:45:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.72.199 with SMTP id n7mr3061926qaj.5.1363769137744; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leopard.ixazon.lan ([2001:470:8:42:5163:5427:13a1:938]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t12si1690477qcz.3.2013.03.20.01.45.37; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:5163:5427:13a1:938 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:5163:5427:13a1:938; Received: from caracal.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:8:42:2896:3463:8faa:5ea]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DEC919CC for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 04:45:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] according to Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 04:45:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1624063.Mlons9rkM5@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-38-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <2456930.oZJB8i4mUH@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:5163:5427:13a1:938 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 07:12:48 tijlan wrote: > What would be the difference from {cu'u}? "cu'u" is used to attribute a quotation to someone; see my sig. "xu'a" would be used to attribute an assertion to someone. You could repeat his assertion without getting anywhere near his words, and attribute it to him with "xu'a". Conversely, someone could say something which is not an assertion, and you attribute it to him with "cu'u". > Also, note that the definition of {xusra} says "can be used for > epistemology of authority". Epistemology. That's djuno4. I > occasionally use {vedu'o} for "according to". I would use "vedu'o" for the method of reasoning that results in knowledge, rather than the person who says something is true. I've met people who appear to believe that the earth is both six thousand years old and over a billion years old; the velju'o is different. Me, if I try to interpret the beginning of Genesis as that God created all the stars in one 24-hour day, and a few days later created man, the interpretation falls apart immediately: in what reference frame are they all created in one day? I don't disbelieve in the Garden of Eden because science does not assert its existence, but applying the same velju'o, I conclude that the Garden of Eden was in Africa and someone named the Mesopotamian rivers after old names of African ones. If I understand "ve djuno" right. Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.