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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rs16si1113363pac.1.2013.03.21.10.39.10 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UIjSH-0001C2-Vz for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:39:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:39:09 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: "into", as in "into the toilet". Message-ID: <20130321173909.GT6328@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20130310184846.GG18336@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <1737897.dyDt4LYI0H@caracal> <23e46cd6-ffd1-4b98-b461-3699f7d15cd2@googlegroups.com> <20130311222652.GR18336@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20130313001511.GW18336@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:52:08AM +0000, tijlan wrote: [snip] > Or is there some significant difference between these: > > gau ko lo pinca be do cu nenri lo vimstizu > lo pinca be ko cu nenri lo vimstizu > > I think not. I think you're right. > So I would prefer the latter that's shorter, and then I would want > a word to the effect of "moving", say {mo'i}: > > lo pinca be ko [cu] mo'i nenri lo vimstizu > > This, however, says that you be the agent of your pee "being *in* > a toilet in a moving manner" (perhaps a pee of yours that you for > whatever reason have to keep in a train's loo, not allowing it to > be flushed away from the moving container), again not necessarily > "moving *into* a toilet". More surefooted than {mo'i nenri} would > be {mo'i ne'i}, which would allow for further simplification: > > pinca ko mo'ine'i lo vimstizu > > That is, you be the agent of your own pee's moving into a toilet. *nod* That works well, thanks. FWIW, what I was wanting further discussion of was specifically {ko vikmi le vimstizu nenri po'o} -Robin -- http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.