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It's a decent start, though.  {lo nu do xruti punji na krinu lo nu
le pu nu lebna cu vrude} (I'm not convinced that the x1 of vrudi is
an agent).

Or even {lo nu do xruti punji na vrude krinu lo nu lebna}

That's rather nice, I think.

-Robin

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 03:20:41PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
> Errr, I guess that'd have to be "vrude se zukte" or "vrude se gasnu" since
> vrude1 is an actor/entity, not the action that is/not virtuous.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > mmm "lo nu do xruti kei na rinka lo nu pu lebna kei vrude"?
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I don't often get totally stumped when speaking to the babies these
> >> days, but I found myself wanting to say:
> >>
> >> "the fact that you put it back doesn't change/fix/erase that you
> >> took it in the first place"
> >>
> >> and I just have no idea how to even start.
> >>
> >> (This, by the way, is an example of why I refuse the label "fluent")
> >>
> >> -Robin
> >>
> >> --
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> >> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e
> >> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
> >> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni
> >> li'u
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lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
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