Received: from mail-oa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.219.61]:55125) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UIunG-0004zI-9V; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:45:47 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id k14sf1196377oag.26 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:45:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ZpW3BsvVPNV8tlftaiPLUMltVSKtBozVmsIPKi5FAUQ=; b=WE7vJhmRRjgmcGfomoHLkc69NtgC3sS4UWcQLLj49eEWg6uqquqDztkCmY+ZiVolKA j+LR9KWq5hArt4zQrJXUdWGv0UsUat6MPx9nKeVVyE+upMtJ89CWCqwyM0C/lHTVhfZF 8kxB81Vq5YYK5SlyiAAb2XNF6W3P1lVw430enXChrCjNL8uMkHv3go7TMpwTJdR0sW+q 1B6wwkpcfky261Hudy/lznEd28dqxZAwuiTfmmOpu2MOarbqvI64JuOqX9+G7FPe6Hxp XPrDKnHhgXLUL8x/NeYQyPWfctITPa4P8MDC1/IlfZ2bYX07FPwz34hoWiOIHLIb+gk+ DCWQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ZpW3BsvVPNV8tlftaiPLUMltVSKtBozVmsIPKi5FAUQ=; b=iSS8nQzprKyO2JRrhjRdYWzGYfRSpMRZca+EBTEP7Wg5uJK0nR3mNw24uscDoC+vUB hVxhJSZdYjLcMZ8frYqZuEYYEv6RVlUcDWdH3VnXRNx4jppLqZlmdNjGh9bFNCmLHlQj fwAsKcJYrhO5HEprxNTh2IGbW6wHYn5srtQYWjZU0n9s89GrVcaRpRNVFAl5fXBIZsUz hweerFIMGCYjADUnXl5skg6tTumfjxCHfcUPwk7vu7D6LqeAFaJ4IcknJ0oywy5T0fbw DDHyS17duHx7xhF40rALTflZITGFdwJq5zXX9gu633iuMNxji6WXjekfl0PnhEaNwV6D S0Zg== X-Received: by 10.49.25.105 with SMTP id b9mr19719qeg.14.1363931127726; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:45:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.0.212 with SMTP id 20ls1244309qeg.12.gmail; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:45:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.213.169 with SMTP id nt9mr430916vec.0.1363931126620; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wc4si152871vdb.1.2013.03.21.22.45.26 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.169; Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id kw10so3015583vcb.0 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:45:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.233.210 with SMTP id ty18mr550980vec.46.1363931126487; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:45:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.188.116 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:44:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2511580.UT8k2BeeMG@caracal> References: <047d7b604b044d035c04d8728b05@google.com> <2511580.UT8k2BeeMG@caracal> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:44:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: SF setting To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0102ee7c4b16bc04d87cf6e3 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0102ee7c4b16bc04d87cf6e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday, March 21, 2013 19:07:14 Jacob Errington wrote: > > {mluni} isn't a fu'ivla, it's a gismu of the form CCVCV. (fu'ivla can't > be > > five letters long, as that's a criterion for being a gismu.) > > A fu'ivla can be five letters long, mu'u zo .aizdo .e zo gleua. > > > I can, however, see one major issue with the numeric system: what if we > > discover a new planet between two existing ones? What do we call it? If > > it's discovered between planet 3 and 4, do we call it planet 3.5 ? Do w= e > > shift all the other planets back and call this new planet planet 4 ? As > far > > as I can tell, this is the only real shortcoming of this system. > > I prefer names, and would like to see what they turn out to be if we > combine > the Greek/Latin names with the Sanskrit or Chinese ones. Even the Greek > names > can be slightly foreign: I once read a reference to =F4=EF=ED =F0=EB=E1= =ED=E7=F4=E7 =D0=EF=F3=E5=E9=E4=F9=ED=E1, > and > it took me a second or two to figure out they meant Neptune. Asteroids an= d > minor planets are designated by both names and numbers, but the number > indicates the order of discovery (except for Pluto). > > > > A carbon nanotube could be a {navtabytu'u} and a space elevator a > {kensa > > > galgau}. > > > > Elevators are machines rather than agents, and I'd suggest > {galzenrikmi'i} > > "height increase physical-cause machine". Perfectly jvajvo. As for carb= on > > nanotube, I don't think that a lujvo is ideal for this concept. (Due to > it > > being extremely naljvajvo, as in practically 0% jvajvo.) Why not just > use a > > tanru? {.i tabno ke nanvi tubnu}. > > "navytabytu'u" would mean a nanocarbon tube. I'd say "tabno navytu'u" or > "tabynavytu'u", and I don't see anything naljvajvo about it (nanotubes ca= n > contain things, such as smaller nanotubes). > > What's a space elevator? I suggest "lafmi'i" for elevator; it's shorter. > Does that include cranes, Hoyer lifts, jacks, too? stevo > > Pierre > -- > I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. 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On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Pierre = Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 19:07:14 Jacob Errington wrote:
> {mluni} isn't a fu'ivla, it's a gismu of the form CCVCV. (= fu'ivla can't be
> five letters long, as that's a criterion for being a gismu.)

A fu'ivla can be five letters long, mu'u zo .aizdo .e zo gleua.

> I can, however, see one major issue with the numeric system: what if w= e
> discover a new planet between two existing ones? What do we call it? I= f
> it's discovered between planet 3 and 4, do we call it planet 3.5 ?= Do we
> shift all the other planets back and call this new planet planet 4 ? A= s far
> as I can tell, this is the only real shortcoming of this system.

I prefer names, and would like to see what they turn out to be if we combin= e
the Greek/Latin names with the Sanskrit or Chinese ones. Even the Greek nam= es
can be slightly foreign: I once read a reference to =F4=EF=ED =F0=EB=E1=ED= =E7=F4=E7 =D0=EF=F3=E5=E9=E4=F9=ED=E1, and
it took me a second or two to figure out they meant Neptune. Asteroids and<= br> minor planets are designated by both names and numbers, but the number
indicates the order of discovery (except for Pluto).

> > A carbon nanotube could be a {navtabytu'u} and a space elevat= or a {kensa
> > galgau}.
>
> Elevators are machines rather than agents, and I'd suggest {galzen= rikmi'i}
> "height increase physical-cause machine". Perfectly jvajvo. = As for carbon
> nanotube, I don't think that a lujvo is ideal for this concept. (D= ue to it
> being extremely naljvajvo, as in practically 0% jvajvo.) Why not just = use a
> tanru? {.i tabno ke nanvi tubnu}.

"navytabytu'u" would mean a nanocarbon tube. I'd say &quo= t;tabno navytu'u" or
"tabynavytu'u", and I don't see anything naljvajvo about = it (nanotubes can
contain things, such as smaller nanotubes).

What's a space elevator? I suggest "lafmi'i" for elevator= ; it's shorter.

Does that include c= ranes, Hoyer lifts, jacks, too?

stevo=A0

Pierre
--
I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wal= es.

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