On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Adam L= opresto <adamlopresto@gmail.com> wrote:

Making a word usable for more situations doesn't neces= sarily make it more useful. It just changes the meaning, rather drastically= . There may be a place for the predicate you're looking for, but {vindu= } has a short, simple meaning. I can say {.e'unai vindu} and that says = all you need to say. With your "x1 is actively affecting the biochemis= try of x2 with effects x3" meaning, we'd need to graft on a {xlali= } and a {kakne} to get there.

If you want to say that someone is actually experiencing the poison, us= e {bilma}. I do think there's room for the symptoms in vindu3, though. = But I don't want to see the word broadened to such a point that it coul= d mean anything, but to actually mean anything specific, you'd need a p= aragraph.

Assuming a new word is necessary for= the meaning desired, it's always better to create a new word, e.g., vi= 'indu, and let the old stand as is. Then if the new word is more useful= and used more often, then the old word will fade away.=A0

I am all in favor of small changes, such as making argument places con= sistent, which I regard as a fix, but changing "vindu" in the way= described is not a fix, but a general change to a word that's not brok= en.=A0

stevo

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Jacob Err= ington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

On 21 March 2013 11:55, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Intoxicate", while technically correct, gives a rather = the wrong impression.=A0 Generally, intoxication is thought of as a relativ= ely pleasant experience, a high, not (except, perhaps, in the very long run= ) a dangerous one. =A0

I think that I talk about that... Ah yes, I do. "Furthermore, {vindu} as defined makes it seem = =A0to have an unnecessarily negative connotation. I feel that this word cou= ld be far more useful and flexible if made a bit more general, along the li= nes of "x1 is a substance/chemical unnaturally present/not normally in= such levels in x2 with effects x3."

>{vindu} is pretty clearly meant to refer to something dangerous in= the short run and thoroughly unpleasant, hence both "poison" and= "venomous" and, indeed, "toxic" -- yew leaves, say.=A0= =A0 I'd stick with "poison" in the English.

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By putting a negative effect = in the x3 I suggest, we end up with old-vindu. If we put in a positive effe= ct, we can create meanings such as "high" or "drunk".

Overall, making vindu more "active&q= uot; and by adding in an x3, the word is far more useful.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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