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Subject: Re: [lojban] what {me lo broda ku} means and why not allow {selbri NOI}
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On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> This is how I understand it:
>
> For {poi}:
>
> ko'a broda poi ke'a brode == ko'a broda gi'e brode

I agree, that seems to me the only reasonable interpretation for "poi".

> For {noi} I can see two possibilites:
>
> (a) ko'a broda noi zo'e no'a == ko'a broda .i zo'e go'i
> (b) ko'a broda noi brode ke'a == brode lo su'u ko'a broda
>
> I think (b) is more useful and clearer.

I'm not sure how seriously you want to take the ==, but the left hand
side of (b) should entail "ko'a broda", indeed that is its main claim,
and the right hand side doesn't do that. I would suggest:

(b) ko'a broda noi brode ke'a == ko'a broda to brode lo su'u ko'a broda toi

since the noi-clause is more like a parenthetical than like a new
same-level clause.

> (There is another option, and that is to make up that ke'a-GOhA. Then, both
> (3.1) and (3.2) can be expressed with it. Downside: new cmavo.)

The thing with (a) is that in many cases we'd want the ke'a-GOhA to go
deeper than first level embedding. But perhaps "co'e" is enough to
cover that.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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