Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:54421) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UJvxE-0006ql-P6; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:12:08 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id ro8sf1908313pbb.26 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:11:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=iBTle+ZRksQTJwvWlV45fPs6ev7jOh/Q7rtd8pFgN4M=; b=d63iuggfA0Pn6dfW1weWyTEAbIIfkGxUHt5HPTGWo/WHfv7u2pxkM16j60kWjVVm7B eGKbV6vJ5RfrfGg2oeATahrKDj/rHIIAEnN4Pyedd2iUJ4cgTXfvgrUcjYws2T+nJn0f v4DopcdXN1+CBJsse2WLPcAsmpx+Z2lWGZMEgqxxJ2+iACgeg8gQB60ub1E+GpCaieKA l0DQDhky6p7rmo8cuOjEp6mUNgFTmwGtnq3/swQPI+HvG4Cm8hnspca3na7nYvupNIVY gGMCPjyvOSi5bNgIP/Wy5MZutnnLjuHuFBhgRVY3n/B0g+DjuxPNwVvYm7GaeN4VHdNz mVKg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=iBTle+ZRksQTJwvWlV45fPs6ev7jOh/Q7rtd8pFgN4M=; b=aRJofW7+D7jKzX7UaEH5+8biOUtAAR0hcM0+I3kI0GpvxPbQwjEWD6wrp9CwVoEOa/ ExAf9QwbJnAuVuVgg7V/YH4aBx164B2ayFZMurN8GUznwWNasSbUejDixaJkoWfbHUPt YvTVzTV8XiNun36pLIN7wRXWIrIoWjXeaajQ0ZUPNdt29F9m3A0j8wbo1tQ4gRCyDvty CpDo2XBM9+U5gMnIZy4irGl1u+1QtO2XapWCQ0tek4CvTm2bJ3rRnZg76bXhKWO2ehaM lrBjN2jJf8xoz0KpV4ubxOuHOr2hRDXkNA7tEvoDK5CYveKw0M+V9d7WdtK/ym/msuTb lZEA== X-Received: by 10.50.109.228 with SMTP id hv4mr794826igb.2.1364173918168; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.151.199 with SMTP id us7ls237473igb.20.gmail; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:11:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.153.197 with SMTP id n5mr2887442icw.33.1364173917241; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ia0-x22f.google.com (mail-ia0-x22f.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fc5si1169884igc.0.2013.03.24.18.11.57 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22f; Received: by mail-ia0-f175.google.com with SMTP id y26so5115730iab.34 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:11:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.87.2 with SMTP id t2mr6537490igz.19.1364173917063; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.237.84 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:11:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <78563624-9255-41a0-b09c-fb9cd7c03d33@googlegroups.com> References: <78563624-9255-41a0-b09c-fb9cd7c03d33@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:11:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: No gismu for Difference From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0111b164bd0eb104d8b57dde X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0111b164bd0eb104d8b57dde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Indeed, this has been something that has nagged at the back of my mind since I started studying the language; there are fairly few words which are sufficiently similar to their source language counterparts to help a speaker of a source language learn the language more easily. The stated purpose of the algorithm doesn't seem like it was really achieved, pe'i. Not that that's a bad thing, as it still provides a source of an a priori vocabulary. mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM, la gleki wrot= e: > > > On Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:44:06 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas >> wrote: >> > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM, la gleki >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Then the glossword should be "difference" >> >> >> >> Bulgarian: =D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B7=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=B0 (bg) f >> >> Czech: rozd=C3=ADl (cs) m >> >> Danish: differens (da) c >> >> Dutch: verschil (nl) n >> >> Esperanto: diferenco >> >> Finnish: erotus (fi) >> >> French: diff=C3=A9rence (fr) f >> >> German: Differenz (de) f >> >> Hebrew: =D7=94=D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=A9 (hefresh) m >> >> Indonesian: selisih >> >> Italian: differenza (it) f >> >> Japanese: =E5=B7=AE (=E3=81=95, sa) >> >> Persian: =D8=A7=D8=AE=D8=AA=D9=84=D8=A7=D9=81 (fa) (extel=C3=A2f), = =D8=AA=D9=81=D8=A7=D8=B6=D9=84 (fa) (taf=C3=A2zol) >> >> Polish: r=C3=B3=C5=BCnica (pl) f >> >> Romanian: diferen=C8=9B=C4=83 (ro) f >> >> Russian: =D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B7=D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=81=D1=82=D1=8C (ru) (r=C3= =A1znost=E2=80=99) f, =D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B7=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=86=D0=B0 (ru) (r=C3= =A1znitsa) f >> >> Slovene: razlika (sl) f >> >> Spanish: diferencia (es) f >> >> Swedish: differens (sv) c, skillnad (sv) c >> >> Telugu: =E0=B0=AD=E0=B1=87=E0=B0=A6=E0=B0=AE=E0=B1=81 (bhaedamu) >> >> >> >> As for Mandarin it is cha1shu4 >> > >> > Presumably that should result in "fricu", which is already taken, but >> > "cufri" might get the same score. >> > > > The problem here is why to apply the algorithm that gives no mnemonic > advantages? > > >> >> (I meant to say "frica".) >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --089e0111b164bd0eb104d8b57dde Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Indeed, this has been something that has nagged at the back of my mind sinc= e I started studying the language; there are fairly few words which are suf= ficiently similar to their source language counterparts to help a speaker o= f a source language learn the language more easily. The stated purpose of t= he algorithm doesn't seem like it was really achieved, pe'i. Not th= at that's a bad thing, as it still provides a source of an a priori voc= abulary.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.na= me@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:44:06 PM= UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjlla...@gmail.= com> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM, la gleki <<= a>gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Then the g= lossword should be "difference"
>>
>> Bulgarian: =D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B7=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=B0= (bg) f
>> Czech: rozd=C3=ADl (cs) m
>> Danish: differe= ns (da) c
>> Dutch: verschil (nl) n
>> Esperanto: difer= enco
>> Finnish: erotus (fi)
>> French: diff=C3=A9rence (fr) f
>> German: Differenz (de)= f
>> Hebrew: =D7=94=D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=A9 (hefresh) m
>> I= ndonesian: selisih
>> Italian: differenza (it) f
>> Jap= anese: =E5=B7=AE (=E3=81=95, sa)
>> Persian: =D8=A7=D8=AE=D8=AA=D9=84=D8=A7=D9=81 (fa) (extel=C3=A2f),= =D8=AA=D9=81=D8=A7=D8=B6=D9=84 (fa) (taf=C3=A2zol)
>> Polish: r= =C3=B3=C5=BCnica (pl) f
>> Romanian: diferen=C8=9B=C4=83 (ro) f <= br>>> Russian: =D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B7=D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=81=D1=82=D1=8C (ru) = (r=C3=A1znost=E2=80=99) f, =D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B7=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=86=D0=B0 (ru) = (r=C3=A1znitsa) f
>> Slovene: razlika (sl) f
>> Spanish: diferencia (es) f
>> Swedish: differens (sv) c,= skillnad (sv) c
>> Telugu: =E0=B0=AD=E0=B1=87=E0=B0=A6=E0=B0=AE= =E0=B1=81 (bhaedamu)
>>
>> As for Mandarin it is cha1sh= u4
>
> Presumably that should result in "fricu", wh= ich is already taken, but
> "cufri" might get the same score.

=

The problem here is why to apply the = algorithm that gives no mnemonic advantages?
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(I meant to s= ay "frica".)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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