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On Monday, March 25, 2013 9:02:45 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2013 5:50:26 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Ian Johnson <blindb...@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>
>>> Indeed, this has been something that has nagged at the back of my mind=
=20
>>> since I started studying the language; there are fairly few words which=
 are=20
>>> sufficiently similar to their source language counterparts to help a=20
>>> speaker of a source language learn the language more easily.=20
>>
>>
>> This is why I say the vocabulary is equally d=EDfficult for everybody. T=
he=20
>> memory hooks aren't numerous for any given language, and they're not=20
>> consistent enough to make them useful to learn. Totally ad hoc words cou=
ld=20
>> hardly be more difficult to learn than what we have.=20
>>
>
> This algorithm originated in the first SciAm paper by JCB. He claimed the=
=20
> existence of global etymology. *sei mi morji *Lojban doesnt have any=20
> goals to prove the existence of such thing. The only reason to apply the=
=20
> algorithm is mnemonics. Otherwise Lojban is completely apriori.
>
> Given that the number of speakers of Romance languages exceed the number=
=20
> of Chinese speakers I suggest {difro} or similar gismu once again.
>

Oh, by Romance languages I meant  "Romance languages + English" :)

=20

>
> However, what I'd like more is not to add more gismu but instead to remov=
e=20
> some of the existing. The adoption of {selsumji}=3D"difference" will teac=
h=20
> newbies "predicate reasoning". If a person can cope with rearranging sumt=
i=20
> places and knows the basic vocabulary then 'ey is already a good speaker =
of=20
> Lojban.
>
>
> =20
>>
>>> The stated purpose of the algorithm doesn't seem like it was really=20
>>> achieved, pe'i. Not that that's a bad thing, as it still provides a sou=
rce=20
>>> of an a priori vocabulary.
>>>
>>> mi'e la latro'a mu'o
>>>
>>>
>>>

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<br><br>On Monday, March 25, 2013 9:02:45 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left=
: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>On Monday, March 25, 2013 5:50=
:26 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Ian Johnson <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>blindb...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">

Indeed, this has been something that has nagged at the back of my mind sinc=
e I started studying the language; there are fairly few words which are suf=
ficiently similar to their source language counterparts to help a speaker o=
f a source language learn the language more easily. </blockquote>

<div><br></div><div>This is why I say the vocabulary is equally d=EDfficult=
 for everybody. The memory hooks aren't numerous for any given language, an=
d they're not consistent enough to make them useful to learn. Totally ad ho=
c words could hardly be more difficult to learn than what we have.&nbsp;</d=
iv></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This algorithm originated in the =
first SciAm paper by JCB. He claimed the existence of global etymology. <i>=
sei mi morji </i>Lojban doesnt have any goals to prove the existence of suc=
h thing. The only reason to apply the algorithm is mnemonics. Otherwise Loj=
ban is completely apriori.</div><div><br></div><div>Given that the number o=
f speakers of Romance languages exceed the number of Chinese speakers I sug=
gest {difro} or similar gismu once again.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>=
<div>Oh, by Romance languages I meant &nbsp;"Romance languages + English" :=
)</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t: 1ex;"><div><br></div><div>However, what I'd like more is not to add more=
 gismu but instead to remove some of the existing. The adoption of {selsumj=
i}=3D"difference" will teach newbies "predicate reasoning". If a person can=
 cope with rearranging sumti places and knows the basic vocabulary then 'ey=
 is already a good speaker of Lojban.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>&nbsp=
;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The stated purpose of the algorithm d=
oesn't seem like it was really achieved, pe'i. Not that that's a bad thing,=
 as it still provides a source of an a priori vocabulary.<div>


<br></div><div>mi'e la latro'a mu'o<div><div><br><br></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote></div>
</blockquote></blockquote>

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