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Wait, what about vimcu <http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/vimcu>?
Its not perfect, especially when you see the notation about alienation=20
(i've been learning gismu with Anki and it doesn't have this notation, so I=
=20
assumed it was mathematical until grabbed that link).

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:15:11 AM UTC-5, tsani wrote:
>
> I'm nearly certain this has been remarked on in the past, but there=20
> appears to be no gismu for "difference" in the mathematical sense. This i=
s=20
> pretty inconsistent, as there're gismu for the other three basic=20
> mathematical operators, namely {sumji}, {pilji}, and {dilcu}, for sum,=20
> product, and quotient, respectively.
>
> As it stands, there're a few non-gismu solutions, such as {selsumji}.=20
> Indeed, cleverly rearranging the places of a sum produces a difference in=
=20
> much the same way as doing so to the places for a product produces a=20
> quotient. Why, then, should {dilcu} and not <difference> exist?
>
> If we consider that {vu'u}, the mekso subtraction operator, is based on=
=20
> {vimcu}, we can try to make a subtraction selbri from it. First, we need =
to=20
> remove the agent with zil-, then we need to convert the (thus) x3 with=20
> ter-: {terzilvi'u}.
>
> {terzilvi'u} has one obvious problem though: semantically, it isn't purel=
y=20
> mathematical. The other three are clearly definitely mathematical, wherea=
s=20
> {vimcu} is used for any partial removal of something. "Getting a haircut"=
=20
> is phrased in terms of {vimcu}.
>
> It seems like it'd add consistency if a gismu were simply made up for thi=
s=20
> rather than try to find other solutions. I (na=C3=AFvely) suggest {subja}=
, with=20
> -sub- from English & romlang "subtract" and -ja- from Mandarin "ji=C7=8En=
".
>
> subja =3D x1 is the difference, x2 minus x3
>
> If there were other suggestions for a potential gismu for this in the=20
> past, I'd like to know them. If there were none, I'll probably add this t=
o=20
> jbovlaste within a few days.
>
> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>

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Wait, what about&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/vimcu"=
>vimcu</a>?<div>Its not perfect, especially when you see the notation about=
 alienation (i've been learning gismu with Anki and it doesn't have this no=
tation, so I assumed it was mathematical until grabbed that link).<br><br>O=
n Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:15:11 AM UTC-5, tsani wrote:<blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left: 1ex;">I'm nearly certain this has been remarked on in th=
e past, but there appears to be no gismu for "difference" in the mathematic=
al sense. This is pretty inconsistent, as there're gismu for the other thre=
e basic mathematical operators, namely {sumji}, {pilji}, and {dilcu}, for s=
um, product, and quotient, respectively.<div>

<br></div><div>As it stands, there're a few non-gismu solutions, such as {s=
elsumji}. Indeed, cleverly rearranging the places of a sum produces a diffe=
rence in much the same way as doing so to the places for a product produces=
 a quotient. Why, then, should {dilcu} and not &lt;difference&gt; exist?</d=
iv>

<div><br></div><div>If we consider that {vu'u}, the mekso subtraction opera=
tor, is based on {vimcu}, we can try to make a subtraction selbri from it. =
First, we need to remove the agent with zil-, then we need to convert the (=
thus) x3 with ter-: {terzilvi'u}.</div>

<div><br></div><div>{terzilvi'u} has one obvious problem though: semantical=
ly, it isn't purely mathematical. The other three are clearly definitely ma=
thematical, whereas {vimcu} is used for any partial removal of something. "=
Getting a haircut" is phrased in terms of {vimcu}.</div>

<div><br></div><div>It seems like it'd add consistency if a gismu were simp=
ly made up for this rather than try to find other solutions. I (na=C3=AFvel=
y) suggest {subja}, with -sub- from English &amp; romlang "subtract" and -j=
a- from Mandarin "<font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">ji=C7=8En</fo=
nt>".</div>

<div><br></div><div>subja =3D x1 is the difference, x2 minus x3</div><div><=
br></div><div>If there were other suggestions for a potential gismu for thi=
s in the past, I'd like to know them. If there were none, I'll probably add=
 this to jbovlaste within a few days.</div>

<div><br></div><div>.i mi'e la tsani mu'o</div>
</blockquote></div>

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